I fully support licensing and registration for the majority of pets.

Yes, I know, go ahead and rage at me. But it just makes sense. It's inarguable that pet owners should be required to undergo training on proper pet ownership. The licensing fees could be used, for example, in conservation programs (cats killing birds) and in medical and legal support of dog attack victims; additionally funding for enforcing noise regulations for barking dogs, etc.

Discuss.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    moron boners!

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why are americans so stupid

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lemme break it down
    >since when do you have the right to own a pet
    since when do you have the right to tell me what my rights are? all animals can be owned as long as the NAP is followed within reason (ethical consistency is for wankers).
    >muh barking
    complain about barking in daylight when cars and trucks no longer make noise and drivers of cars and motorcycles with loud exhausts are pulled over and beaten to a pulp. the correct solution is to require the owner to stop the noise pollution outside of daylight hours and then confiscate the dog because obviously they're neglecting or abusing it.
    >muh countryside
    large land != happy dog. dogs are social animals and are not entertained by empty space. see: neglected and abused dogs, and why they bark. boredom and neuroticism from being alone in an empty territory. this is also a possible source of aggression.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pet licenses seem authoritarian and oppressive for me here in the EU, I can't imagine them being passed in America
    Don't you guys have like 50 more pressing issues to argue about? Like personal ID cards instead of SSIDs?
    It's hard to imagine owning a cat will require more licensing than a gun in some states

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Licensing should definitely exist for certain pets, if only to stop Cletus from buying a tiger and keeping it in his garage. If it’s dangerous/endangered/protected/invasive it should probably require a license. Like in Australia you need a license to keep native animals with higher restrictions on elapids and crocodilians, but elsewhere a license should probably be necessary for most exotic mammals, venomous snakes, etc

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Inconsistent licensing can lead to comical situations though. Like needing training in rabies vector species and registration to own a raccoon but you can have a kangaroo hang out by the pool without any training since it counts as "small farm animal" at least in Texas iirc

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Inconsistent licensing can lead to comical situations though
        It certainly does. I’m an ausfag and while I can hold a saltwater crocodile or taipan on license, I can’t own a leopard gecko as it’s exotic or a fire tail skink since it’s not on the license list. I saw something similar when the ban on certain large constrictors came out in florida just recently and they banned Simalia kinghorni, the one species of scrub python that does not exist in US collections.
        I’m fine with most of that fucky legislation, just salty that for whatever reason perenties, oenpelli pythons and green tree monitors aren’t on the license list in my state

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If it’s dangerous/endangered/protected/invasive it should probably require a license.
      This would encompass cats and dogs.

      Pet licenses seem authoritarian and oppressive for me here in the EU, I can't imagine them being passed in America
      Don't you guys have like 50 more pressing issues to argue about? Like personal ID cards instead of SSIDs?
      It's hard to imagine owning a cat will require more licensing than a gun in some states

      Guns are inanimate objects. In practice you have to possess a photo ID and pass an FBI background check to legally buy a new gun in every state anyway.

      Inconsistent licensing can lead to comical situations though. Like needing training in rabies vector species and registration to own a raccoon but you can have a kangaroo hang out by the pool without any training since it counts as "small farm animal" at least in Texas iirc

      Raccoons are native animals, so there are usually protective regulations around owning them. Exotic pets are typically unregulated unless they are considered dangerous, harmful, or invasive.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This would encompass cats and dogs
        It would, but I more meant invasive non domesticated animals

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I for one fully support a licence for dgs and a flat tax on their use. Thsie farts probably change the weather or something, if we all reach into our pockets and give some cash to the benevolent overloads it will stop that

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This will never happen, because it costs money without a noticeable return on investment.
    >But the return is happier animals!
    People consider animals cheap property. It's amazing they have as many rights as they do now, which isn't much. Not enough people care about the idea, which in turn means no one in power gives a damn.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wealth and whiteness are correlated with increased animal welfare. These laws target a minority to punish them when we should be asking how to change the fundamental problem, because the low empathy and low social responsibility of the average roaming or permanently chained pitbulls owner has much worse effects.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        we need a solution to end all solutions. an ultimate remedy that ends the root cause of all social ills. but what?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Death.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Prosecute the owners of dogs that maim and kill people to the full extent of the law. The parents of the two kids who got eaten by their own shitbulls last week in Tennessee should be facing Criminally Negligent Homicide and Reckless Homicide charges. We need to disincentivize owning shitbulls and other dangerous dogs by unqualified people.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, but I was talking about general consensus and legal value. Legally, pets are looked at like property, which is why most people don't care about a toaster being chained up for life or a bike dying from negligence in the kennel. You might be in trouble for crushing animals on video or buying pitbulls from different kennels to euthanize though.
        >But some of these fridges kill toddlers!
        Most of the time, the offending freezer is euthanized and the owner of the cabinet is charged for something, maybe. That's about it. Maybe they get another workbench and the cycle repeats, maybe they become "breedist" if they don't get sued or charged for involuntary manslaughter.
        How you would convince your government to pay for licenses to make sure a microwave is taken care of or training is enforced for riskier lamps is past what I think is possible.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And how would you trust a government to know shit about microwaves when they don't even understand the internet

          Dogs are basically dumb adults and if we don't believe downies should reproduce (they shouldn't) they have as much value to us as dogs and vice versa so they should have the same standards for care. We do not require a license to live with a retard. We do not consider it abuse to have a retard in the city if they're taller than 6ft because "ANCIENT HUMANS ROAMED FOR MILES!!! HOMINID ABSUE!" because you can just go outside with them and they spend their free time happily tarding around. We do not require you lobotomize your retard if your neighbor is annoyed by their tard sounds and we do not require you mutilate your retard because in theory in might be better in the long run (but it's unproven and no non-retarded adult would consent to it) - instead a gonad-preserving sterilization surgery would be preferred for their health.

          We do however make it illegal to abuse the retard, and require wellness checks more often than we don't. It would be enough to keep track of who has a dog (we already do) and require them to take them to a vet at least once a month ($20 "tax" that actually goes back to the local economy). Of course that wouldn't happen. The tax would actually go back to the local economy!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think comparing a retard to a dog works, since one is human and the other is property. Even if the retard, incontinent alzheimer grandma or the coma vegetable cannot sign consent forms or tie their shoes, they still have far more rights than a dog by virtue of their human form. Leave Fido outside in the storm and your a shitty person. Leave Edna outside during a heatwave and you're a criminal.
            I'm not enough of an economics fag to know if $20 would cover the costs of the licenses with all the work, salaries and enforcement that would come with it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't recognize anything special about having human DNA or form. To do so would be to be a spiritual nutjob. You have utility or you do not. If there's a sphere of undifferentiated cells is that a person now because you could chemically stimulate it into something that has a less than certain chance of turning into one? Nah. What about a brainless body? Do you believe in souls or something? Those aren't even real.
              >but my god says...
              You know, some religions say not only are souls real, but dogs have the same kind of soul as you. And those religions are older than yours and logically closer to contact with any real god there may have been. Fuck, even the oldest parts of the original hebrew version of the torah use the same word for animals and humans souls and the distinction is a latecomer fanfic. Uh oh.
              >but my religion says actually those were the works of the devil and my cult leader is the real prophet and
              There are later prophets and different religions still, why care about yours specifically, they all say they're the real one

              Just because the dogs are counted as objects and the retards as people doesn't mean they should be. The standards need to meet, in one direction or the other, or you need to declare a state faith and enforce it with ultimate violence.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                we should have state mandated canine citizenship tbh

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Agreed

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wasn't going into a philosophical debate on the state of man, consciousness and whether animals have souls. Just answering OP on why I think it can't happen with the general mindset of how the law sees animals and how people do, since speculation on a solution is a waste of time.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dogs and cats have mandatory licenses where I live
    The irony is that responsible owners don't get them because if your pet isn't running free or breaking any other laws you'll never need to prove it is licensed

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ahh yes, more taxes...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Taxes plus taxes called "registration fees" and "license renewal."

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's called a chip. No need for a ridiculous license. Let's leave it there

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My dog got an infection after they put in the chip, apparently some were recalled because of contamination.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pet ownership and parenthood both should require training + license

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean if you're that retarded no. Give it food and it needs to poop. It loves the outdoors. Depends on the kinda dog you want tho

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Surely, the government will solve problems and never do anything abhorrent that shits all over my rights because it's for the "greater good" of some absolute idiots!

    No. Never give the state more control.

    >you, the well off white man with a fenced property who actually takes care of his dog, have to cut your dogs balls off before they are fully grown because jose has free roaming pitbulls.
    >we don't care about the mounting evidence that neutering at all until the balls themselves are diseased is bad for your dog.
    >jose has free roaming pitbulls and they're all unfixed and it would be unfair/racist/too expensive to only target him.
    What comes after that? Forcible debarking surgeries. Size restrictions because daquan's 100lb pitbull kill 3 people. Shelter mommy tier insanity applied universally. And never once were you part of the problem.

    When you give the state more power you doom your fellow citizens to military style discipline. No trial, no evidence, punishment for everybody.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's the fuckin' government keepin' us down! If only they hadn't passed all them regalations we coulda clearcut and surface mined the coal from every mountain!
      >verification not required.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >lives in a small home
        >surrounded by forest and greenery
        >makes do with what they have
        Yeah why don't they let some city dwelling soiboi like you tell them how to live? Let me guess, they need more heckin' vibrant diversity don't they?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of Appalachia literally isn't fit for habitation and that's why it remains so poor today, and why anyone who could afford to travel to the Midwest back in the day, did just that. It's not the government's fault that people choose to live in what is essentially as bad as a desert.

          I mean, look at this map. Agriculture literally impossible, mountains make travel costly and take forever, flooding is common.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What you mean like every country in europe?
        No one mentioned coal this is about the government micromanaging your private property over nothingburger issues.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you, the well off white man
      lol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if someone thinks adding more licenses and bureacracy to the world is a good idea they are, without a doubt, an anglo or god forgive me for this utterance, a german.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You misspelled woman and minority.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >immediately begins racebaiting
      Why do you do this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh rights
      Since when do you have the "right" to own a pet? Dogfags think they have the right to impose their animals on the rest of the general public. The least you can do is get a loisence to prove you're a responsible owner.
      >forcible debarking surgeries
      Don't let your dog bark all night and keep people awake then.
      >size restrictions
      Buy a house in the countryside if you want a large dog.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Idiotic commie

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I accept your concession.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry you are simply too stupid to argue with. Your arguments have been BTFO a thousand times before and the BTFOing has never been refuted. It’s a waste of time. You are not intelligent enough to have this discussion and if you were you would not hold your assinine authoritarian opinions.

            If you reply again I will insult you again. Idiot.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >noooooooo requiring dog licenses is literally hitler
              grow up already dumb dogfag

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                When I said you were too moronic I wasn’t asking for a demonstration.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would you want more government jobs for another nickel and dime scheme, all because some bad apples?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >communism is when you have laws n shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Retard.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nooooo if anyone has any power they will use it specifically to be unfair to me and bully me
      the degree of neuroticism is absolutely unreal
      maybe you're projecting your own desire to be a cruel and petty tyrant

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If anyone has any power, and they like having it, they become a reactionary and continuously use their power to meet the demands of public hysteria in order to justify maintaining it. This means they crack down on increasingly irrelevant shit and make your life worse. Especially if a few people oppose them, because if there's an enemy and they can win out over them, that makes them seem like they are more deserving of power, because they "won", so that will make them fight harder and crank out the propaganda.

        This has happened in every society with every realm of expertise and there is no reason for it to be different for pets. It's a matter of human nature, it never changes and it never will. You open the floodgates when you expand governmental powers. The fewer powers governmental figures have, or the more powers allocated to one unit of government, the more they must prioritize and the less likely they are to become reactionaries that eagerly address minutiae with an iron fist. However, they will still display a reactionary crowd-pleasing behavior pattern in order to get re-elected or avoid being killed/usurped.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the fewer powers governmental figures have
          *The fewer governmental figures you have
          hurren durren bork bork

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