the idea that humans are valuable because they are human is fairly recent and has religious/philosophical origins AKA bullshit. most humans still don't act like this "one race, the human race, we must work together to reach the stars, we have a moral duty to all men" thing is truth.
originally humans only gave a shit about their tribe/"people" and of those they gave the most shits about their family. everyone else was basically a weird monkey. past 200 strong social bonds your brain starts to have trouble comprehending other humans as more than weird monkeys.
Cause you're lower tiered than a redditor. Not only do you seek validation through virtue signaling, but you try to get it via anonymous internet strangers. Get help
You see humans everyday, everywhere, all the time and become somewhat desensitized to their existence and passing. Animals are more varied, less common in day to day life, and have an innocence to them like children.
This is a pretty broad/good explanation. I mostly lean on the last point, animals are innocent while many humans are completely shitty and self-serving. A disturbing amount seem to totally lack empathy these days as well.
The difference is the human can fathom another way and the lizard can't, it's a fucking lizard, so you can't blame it. It's powerless over itself. I'd go as far as saying it has no self to begin with.
Yet I still oppose the idea that all animals are totally innocent. You can blame smarter animals within their capabilities. A dog, for instance, 100% knows what it's doing when it bites someone. I stomped on a border collies tail when I was a kid and it bit me hard enough to bruise me and give me a few little holes even though it could have easily severed my arm. A cat, for instance, 100% knows what it's doing when it scratches or bites. They can willingly vary how retracted their claws are. My family had a cat that would only lightly scratch children and the dog, and really slice up adults. He also nearly killed a strange cat. It would be absurd to say that these animals that show problem solving abilities and brief moments of self comprehension don't know that bites and scratches hurt.
But does a dog know that if it picks a human infant up by its "scruff", or by its head as some dogs will do, that this will almost certainly kill it, and be interpreted by humans as the dog biting the baby to death? Does a cat know that the bacteria transmitted in its warning scratch is enough to potentially kill a small child? No, they do not, these are things you need extensive experience with or knowledge of anatomy and germ theory to comprehend. Humans have such things, so when humans allow animals near such young and fragile children and something goes wrong the majority of the blame falls on the human.
And surely, then, a chimp knows exactly what they are doing when they rip your arm off. Just like a human serial killer. It's just that they don't care.
This is a pretty broad/good explanation. I mostly lean on the last point, animals are innocent while many humans are completely shitty and self-serving. A disturbing amount seem to totally lack empathy these days as well.
You see humans everyday, everywhere, all the time and become somewhat desensitized to their existence and passing. Animals are more varied, less common in day to day life, and have an innocence to them like children.
>Innocent
You're close
The word you're looking for is honest.
Animals are incapable of the complex mental processes that allow humans to be deceptive in their actions and reactions.
When a person shows interest in you it might be feigned, they may have an ulterior motive, etc. When a cat or a dog shows interest in you it is incapable of being anything but genuine.
Also if you were born to lead-addled boomers they were almost certainly neglectful or explosive during your infancy which ingrains a deep subconscious understanding that people cannot or will not meet your emotional needs.
>Animals are incapable of the complex mental processes that allow humans to be deceptive in their actions and reactions.
This, like the assumption of innocence, is false. Dogs are capable of deception and extortion. I can't imagine cats being too far behind. And many things are a bit smarter than those,as smart, or not much dumber.
>people cannot or will not meet your emotional needs
This has been true since the beginning of time. Most people are your enemies. It is irrational to trust and truly appreciate people, so irrational we often need religious wackjobs saying ghosts want us to do it or they'll light us on fire when we die.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That's wrong
It's not. A dog cannot hide its emotions or feign happiness. The ability to recognize patterns and act selfishly is not the same as active deception, and certainly not the same as deceptive self-imaging
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not. A dog cannot hide its emotions or feign happiness.
Not only can they, but they do. Do you really think an animal smart enough to learn 1000 words and basic syntax assuming it gives enough of a fuck to try can't figure it out? Dogs do this all the fucking time. They fake emotional states to get food or get you to let them out or try and get you not to take them out, the list goes on. Deception is extremely simple when you think about it. You perform a behavior and receive your reward. You may learn you can deceive people into giving you attention by acting hurt by associating attention with crying.
Guess why cats meow? They learn that by making the noise a kitten makes when they're hungry or hurt, humans give them attention. So now your cat is yowling like it's starving because...BECAUSE... it wants to direct your attention to a door that is closed and should not be. The cat is deceiving you and you're just so used to it you're not falling for it anymore.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Dogs learn 1000 individual words and syntax
moron please >Cats meow to manipulate humans!
They meow to caregivers instinctually
>Deception is when you perform a behavior and receive a reward
You are literally retarded and will get no more replies from me. Basic conditioning is not deception.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>n*gger please
It's true, this has been achieved by dogs before. >muh instinct!
No. Meowing is LEARNED.
>Basic conditioning is not deception
No, basic conditioning is how you learn deception. The thing about "conditioning" is that at a level higher than pavlovian (so all operant conditioning) it requires some degree of thought and can be actively resisted, interpreted differently by an individual, or simply learned from. In fact, being able to learn through operant conditioning is a sign of higher than reptillian intelligence, while being able to resist operant conditioning and enforce your own will on the handler in such a way it's clear you've learned and understood, but have set your own terms for cooperating is a sign of higher intelligence still.
And applying the concept of an association to as of yet unexperienced things is a sign above even higher intelligence. So a human who first learns that crying gets them attention even if they aren't hurt can figure out that being angry when they aren't will get people to go away and that they can act hungry when they aren't to get food for later. A dog can, after learning that acting anxious gets humans to come check out what's going on, fake a nap to try and get humans to pass them over. They're kind of bad at it however and you can tell they're just faking.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That's wrong
It's not. A dog cannot hide its emotions or feign happiness. The ability to recognize patterns and act selfishly is not the same as active deception, and certainly not the same as deceptive self-imaging
Also the part about humans not being capable of meeting emotional needs is a developmental failure caused by shit lead-poisoned parents, not a fact of life. Seek help.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's a fact of life now, always has been a fact, and will always be a fact. Humans are not capable of meeting emotional needs. They are simply more useful than other animals but their actions will never be any more or less genuine. Emotional needs are designed to be impossible to fully meet. The only human that can meet your emotional needs is yourself, by blunting, denying, and suppressing them, instead of living like an animal yourself and always reaching to fulfill your brainless instincts.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely pity you
6 months ago
Anonymous
I pity you, actually. I see people like you every day. You are always lonely, you always need more friends, new friends, new "socialization". You're never satisfied, you can never sit still, and it's people like you that form every savage mob and join every army because you need more, more, more, surely humans will fulfill my emotional needs this time. Pacing around like a monkey that has a neurotic urge to locate additional fruit trees. You never realize you mostly use people and people mostly use you. If you do, you know peace. You know a man won't ever be a better or worse friend than a cat. But you know what a man can do better, and why, and when and why the man is worth choosing over the cat if you can only pick one, and why the right to the cat is worth defending even if a man feels left out (hint: it's because if that man can't do better than the cat and sees it as competition, he shouldn't be trusted) >or if some klaus schwab fucker thinks you need to strip down your life to make room for the carbon output of another 4 billion chinese, more luxury goods manufacturing, more coal, less nuclear, more cars, and more international shipping.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>n*gger please
It's true, this has been achieved by dogs before. >muh instinct!
No. Meowing is LEARNED.
>Basic conditioning is not deception
No, basic conditioning is how you learn deception. The thing about "conditioning" is that at a level higher than pavlovian (so all operant conditioning) it requires some degree of thought and can be actively resisted, interpreted differently by an individual, or simply learned from. In fact, being able to learn through operant conditioning is a sign of higher than reptillian intelligence, while being able to resist operant conditioning and enforce your own will on the handler in such a way it's clear you've learned and understood, but have set your own terms for cooperating is a sign of higher intelligence still.
And applying the concept of an association to as of yet unexperienced things is a sign above even higher intelligence. So a human who first learns that crying gets them attention even if they aren't hurt can figure out that being angry when they aren't will get people to go away and that they can act hungry when they aren't to get food for later. A dog can, after learning that acting anxious gets humans to come check out what's going on, fake a nap to try and get humans to pass them over. They're kind of bad at it however and you can tell they're just faking.
>implying anyone is going to read your manifesto
Wrong board
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6 months ago
Anonymous
>your ideas scare me and invalidate some of my life choices
the truth hurts doesn't it? human worship is as deranged as animal worship.
this is totally normal. you just don't have any decent family or extended family to care about and are surrounded by shit people. animals are more useful than random strangers.
when put into a survival situation suddenly you > the fit guy > the dog > the fat guy
animals, even those we think might be evil cannot compare to man
People can take care of themselves. Animals are dependent on you.
MOAR ANIMALS
There's too many schizos in this thread. All you fags need to an hero RIGHT NOW or post pictures of animals.
Humans can choose to be evil pieces of shit, animals not really. This is assuming no mental illnesses or diseases that affecr judgement, on both sides
the idea that humans are valuable because they are human is fairly recent and has religious/philosophical origins AKA bullshit. most humans still don't act like this "one race, the human race, we must work together to reach the stars, we have a moral duty to all men" thing is truth.
originally humans only gave a shit about their tribe/"people" and of those they gave the most shits about their family. everyone else was basically a weird monkey. past 200 strong social bonds your brain starts to have trouble comprehending other humans as more than weird monkeys.
Cause you're lower tiered than a redditor. Not only do you seek validation through virtue signaling, but you try to get it via anonymous internet strangers. Get help
You see humans everyday, everywhere, all the time and become somewhat desensitized to their existence and passing. Animals are more varied, less common in day to day life, and have an innocence to them like children.
This is a pretty broad/good explanation. I mostly lean on the last point, animals are innocent while many humans are completely shitty and self-serving. A disturbing amount seem to totally lack empathy these days as well.
>animals are innocent while many humans are completely shitty and self-serving
I'd post the webm of that newborn deer immediately getting eaten alive after being born but I don't want a b&
The difference is the human can fathom another way and the lizard can't, it's a fucking lizard, so you can't blame it. It's powerless over itself. I'd go as far as saying it has no self to begin with.
Yet I still oppose the idea that all animals are totally innocent. You can blame smarter animals within their capabilities. A dog, for instance, 100% knows what it's doing when it bites someone. I stomped on a border collies tail when I was a kid and it bit me hard enough to bruise me and give me a few little holes even though it could have easily severed my arm. A cat, for instance, 100% knows what it's doing when it scratches or bites. They can willingly vary how retracted their claws are. My family had a cat that would only lightly scratch children and the dog, and really slice up adults. He also nearly killed a strange cat. It would be absurd to say that these animals that show problem solving abilities and brief moments of self comprehension don't know that bites and scratches hurt.
But does a dog know that if it picks a human infant up by its "scruff", or by its head as some dogs will do, that this will almost certainly kill it, and be interpreted by humans as the dog biting the baby to death? Does a cat know that the bacteria transmitted in its warning scratch is enough to potentially kill a small child? No, they do not, these are things you need extensive experience with or knowledge of anatomy and germ theory to comprehend. Humans have such things, so when humans allow animals near such young and fragile children and something goes wrong the majority of the blame falls on the human.
And surely, then, a chimp knows exactly what they are doing when they rip your arm off. Just like a human serial killer. It's just that they don't care.
>Innocent
You're close
The word you're looking for is honest.
Animals are incapable of the complex mental processes that allow humans to be deceptive in their actions and reactions.
When a person shows interest in you it might be feigned, they may have an ulterior motive, etc. When a cat or a dog shows interest in you it is incapable of being anything but genuine.
Also if you were born to lead-addled boomers they were almost certainly neglectful or explosive during your infancy which ingrains a deep subconscious understanding that people cannot or will not meet your emotional needs.
>Animals are incapable of the complex mental processes that allow humans to be deceptive in their actions and reactions.
This, like the assumption of innocence, is false. Dogs are capable of deception and extortion. I can't imagine cats being too far behind. And many things are a bit smarter than those,as smart, or not much dumber.
>people cannot or will not meet your emotional needs
This has been true since the beginning of time. Most people are your enemies. It is irrational to trust and truly appreciate people, so irrational we often need religious wackjobs saying ghosts want us to do it or they'll light us on fire when we die.
>That's wrong
It's not. A dog cannot hide its emotions or feign happiness. The ability to recognize patterns and act selfishly is not the same as active deception, and certainly not the same as deceptive self-imaging
>It's not. A dog cannot hide its emotions or feign happiness.
Not only can they, but they do. Do you really think an animal smart enough to learn 1000 words and basic syntax assuming it gives enough of a fuck to try can't figure it out? Dogs do this all the fucking time. They fake emotional states to get food or get you to let them out or try and get you not to take them out, the list goes on. Deception is extremely simple when you think about it. You perform a behavior and receive your reward. You may learn you can deceive people into giving you attention by acting hurt by associating attention with crying.
Guess why cats meow? They learn that by making the noise a kitten makes when they're hungry or hurt, humans give them attention. So now your cat is yowling like it's starving because...BECAUSE... it wants to direct your attention to a door that is closed and should not be. The cat is deceiving you and you're just so used to it you're not falling for it anymore.
>Dogs learn 1000 individual words and syntax
moron please
>Cats meow to manipulate humans!
They meow to caregivers instinctually
>Deception is when you perform a behavior and receive a reward
You are literally retarded and will get no more replies from me. Basic conditioning is not deception.
>n*gger please
It's true, this has been achieved by dogs before.
>muh instinct!
No. Meowing is LEARNED.
>Basic conditioning is not deception
No, basic conditioning is how you learn deception. The thing about "conditioning" is that at a level higher than pavlovian (so all operant conditioning) it requires some degree of thought and can be actively resisted, interpreted differently by an individual, or simply learned from. In fact, being able to learn through operant conditioning is a sign of higher than reptillian intelligence, while being able to resist operant conditioning and enforce your own will on the handler in such a way it's clear you've learned and understood, but have set your own terms for cooperating is a sign of higher intelligence still.
And applying the concept of an association to as of yet unexperienced things is a sign above even higher intelligence. So a human who first learns that crying gets them attention even if they aren't hurt can figure out that being angry when they aren't will get people to go away and that they can act hungry when they aren't to get food for later. A dog can, after learning that acting anxious gets humans to come check out what's going on, fake a nap to try and get humans to pass them over. They're kind of bad at it however and you can tell they're just faking.
Also the part about humans not being capable of meeting emotional needs is a developmental failure caused by shit lead-poisoned parents, not a fact of life. Seek help.
It's a fact of life now, always has been a fact, and will always be a fact. Humans are not capable of meeting emotional needs. They are simply more useful than other animals but their actions will never be any more or less genuine. Emotional needs are designed to be impossible to fully meet. The only human that can meet your emotional needs is yourself, by blunting, denying, and suppressing them, instead of living like an animal yourself and always reaching to fulfill your brainless instincts.
I genuinely pity you
I pity you, actually. I see people like you every day. You are always lonely, you always need more friends, new friends, new "socialization". You're never satisfied, you can never sit still, and it's people like you that form every savage mob and join every army because you need more, more, more, surely humans will fulfill my emotional needs this time. Pacing around like a monkey that has a neurotic urge to locate additional fruit trees. You never realize you mostly use people and people mostly use you. If you do, you know peace. You know a man won't ever be a better or worse friend than a cat. But you know what a man can do better, and why, and when and why the man is worth choosing over the cat if you can only pick one, and why the right to the cat is worth defending even if a man feels left out (hint: it's because if that man can't do better than the cat and sees it as competition, he shouldn't be trusted)
>or if some klaus schwab fucker thinks you need to strip down your life to make room for the carbon output of another 4 billion chinese, more luxury goods manufacturing, more coal, less nuclear, more cars, and more international shipping.
>implying anyone is going to read your manifesto
Wrong board
>your ideas scare me and invalidate some of my life choices
the truth hurts doesn't it? human worship is as deranged as animal worship.
this is totally normal. you just don't have any decent family or extended family to care about and are surrounded by shit people. animals are more useful than random strangers.
when put into a survival situation suddenly you > the fit guy > the dog > the fat guy
No idea, but if you find out let me know
literally autism
Because humanity is a mistake.
/thread
Audibly blew air out my nose.
The knowledge is implicit
People are animals.
>filename
What the fuck is your problem with hauntinh grounds
you just know
You may not know, but you can certainly deduce.