Honestly, is it even ethical to visit or donate money to zoos?

Honestly, is it even ethical to visit or donate money to zoos? Even the larger, so called conservationist ones do horrifically physically and psychologically inhumane things to their animals.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t really care, the purpose of zoos is to entertain me not to treat the animals well.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t.screaming toddler

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be me
    >Go to Zoo
    >Encounter hordes of pestilent entitled children screaming at the animals and banging on the glass
    >Parents do nothing
    Number 1 reason to not go to Zoos.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most every (Large) zoo I've been to have had volunteers hanging around the enclosures of the more sensitive animals specifically to stop this. Officially it's to answer questions but we all know it's to stop this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      saw a kid running up and threatening a monkey with a foam sword repeatedly and his moron dad just being a chucklefrick about it. what the frick. i don't go into the consumerism portion of the zoo so i don't know if they're just selling shit to taunt animals with or he brought it in from outside the zoo but frick this shit moron species

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In my Zoo there are signs stating that harrassing the animals is a fineable offense... not sure if its actually enforce

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any opinions on San Diego Zoo?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have also read about zoo keepers treating their own animals as live stock and living commodities.
    There were Rumors of the Minnesota Zoo leadership slaughtering their own gray wolves for their fur just like any other inhumane institution.
    The problem with Zoos is that you are entrusting animal welfare to human beings
    and human beings are evil by nature.
    Greedy Prideful egotistical things.
    They have treated animals like objects and do not respect them
    Even furgays and bestials are just as vile as the fur trappers
    Loving animals only because of their selfish lustful perverted desires
    The garden of eden has been protected from the wickedness of humanity
    and I one day pray that god would someday have mercy on me to take me to the gardens of the heavenly places

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cont.
      Conservation groups are trying to educate Africans and Asians into taking care of their wilderness
      You can tell those groups how precious their wild life is all you want
      But at the end of the day they are going to ask
      How is enviornmentalism going to feed my family
      How is letting Lions and Tigers run wild going to make me money when I can farm them to make poachers kill them for their bodies and keep my village safe.
      There is a human factor to this that severely affects conservation efforts

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zoos are a case of the IQ bell curve meme being unironically true
    >low IQ: zoos good
    >mid IQ: zoos bad
    >high IQ: zoos good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where does "I don't know enough about zoos to have an informed opinion either way" fall on the curve?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        High IQ for recognising the gap in your knowledge rather than just forming an opinion anyway.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well thing is how do you know if behind the scenes these zoos arent using and abusing their animals.
          Majority of companies all act like they care about health and safety when OSHA comes in but after the inspector leaves they go back to bad practices.
          You dont know what goes behind the scenes at the zoos.
          Just how the rumors of the Minnesota Zoo skinning their wolves were denied by leadership ofc they wont admit to wrong doing, its all corporate nature to hide what is done in the dark

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My only stint with Zoos is that
    all of them have less than 100 acres dedicated to the animals.
    I think the only Zoo with over 100 acres dedicated in animal exhibits is Bronx Zoo in America which is sad
    No other Zoo is even close to that bench mark

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think the only Zoo with over 100 acres dedicated in animal exhibits is Bronx Zoo in America which is sad
      I laughed out loud reading this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >500 acres built up
        >Likely even less for animals
        still better than most zoos

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think the only Zoo with over 100 acres dedicated in animal exhibits is Bronx Zoo in America which is sad
      >No other Zoo is even close to that bench mark
      lol, lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Safari Park
        those dont count plus they have enclosures for their animals too

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do believe animals such as apes, cetaceans and elephants have no place in zoos, but i don't see why it is bad to have things like reptiles or fish in reasonably sized tanks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't speak to apes, but elephants have been in captivity since the dawn of the human race pretty much. The biggest issue is just having enough space in their enclosures, which is difficult but doable. Cetaceans also do better than the public thinks, particularly species like belugas and various dolphins. Many of these smaller cetaceans have been kept successfully by the military for decades, and things have only improved. Blackfish was a documentary with half truths that has set back cetacean conservation more than it has helped it. I blame it for the Vaquita

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Elephants have been kept for hundreds of years but that doesn't mean they enjoy it, they clearly go insane when held in captivity

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Clearly how? All the elephants I've seen in zoos seem like they're enjoying themselves fine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Them doing little dances is not being happy, it's literal neurological damage

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Who said anything about dances? They were always just chilling, eating and playing with their babies in the pools provided. What the frick kind of zoos do you people go to?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. I pet elephants dude, they seemed really calm, not like they were dying to get out of their enclosure.

                If they were why haven't we had dozens of escape attempts?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Blackfish was a documentary with half truths that has set back cetacean conservation more than it has helped it.
        Very true. Resulting cetacean cultists are also some of the most unhinged “””animal people””” you’ll ever have the displeasure of talking to.

        https://i.imgur.com/dTdxhXU.png

        >I think the only Zoo with over 100 acres dedicated in animal exhibits is Bronx Zoo in America which is sad
        I laughed out loud reading this

        Damn, now i wanna visit, I’ll have to settle for the Bronx for now

        Zoos are a case of the IQ bell curve meme being unironically true
        >low IQ: zoos good
        >mid IQ: zoos bad
        >high IQ: zoos good

        Very true

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Resulting cetacean cultists are also some of the most unhinged “””animal people”””
          Some people in either Aus or NZ recently uh '''saved''' an orphaned orca calf by doing the exact opposite to what experienced cetacean vets and keepers told them to. It died and the moron ARA c**ts who killed it are refusing to accept its their fault.
          These people are some of the most unhinged ARAs, even worse than horse people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that sounds about right for them, absolute lunatics that are clueless and self sabotaging at best and outright malicious narcissists at worst
            >ARA
            Yeah, that’s the word I was looking for

            Most every (Large) zoo I've been to have had volunteers hanging around the enclosures of the more sensitive animals specifically to stop this. Officially it's to answer questions but we all know it's to stop this.

            Lmao I like the idea of them being around solely for that purpose, imagine having designated tard wranglers, zoos are kinda funny

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I consider anti-zoo people on the same level as anti-nuclear people. Geniune morons that often hinder the causes they claim to care about.

    >But enrichment/size space!
    This is an argument for improving captivity, which is an ongoing process that has made great strides. It's not the 1920s anymore, animals aren't being kept in cages anywhere but roadside pads your uncle set up.

    >But freedom!
    Animals do not have a concept of freedom. You're anthropomorphizing them.

    >But they're from the wild!
    Very few are these days, most are rescues or captive bred. Though honestly considering the scale of things like poaching and hunting, it would probably benefit their conservation more if people were willing to take more of certain species into captivity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And also consider that everyday forest keep getting massacred on an industrial scale

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Animals do not have a concept of freedom.
      ok moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >animal bred in captivity looking at a mural of a stylised interpretation of an environment it has never experienced and has 0 concept of
        >NUH THIS MEANS AMINALS LONG FOR FREEDOM BRO THEY TOTALLY WANT FREEDOMMM
        You've seen too many Disney movies.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there is no way you're going to convince me that animals just love being in zoos and wouldn't be happier in the wild. i've been to plenty of zoos. more often than not the mammals are usually slumped over in a corner of the exhibit looking miserable.

          >has 0 concept of
          you're right, huskies that were born in tropical climates will absolutely love them and not be miserable at all!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not going to try and convince you of shit, you've already made up your mind, no amount of Cold Hard Facts will sway you.

            >you're right, huskies that were born in tropical climates will absolutely love them and not be miserable at all!
            >When the situation is completely different, it's actually completely different! Checkmate!!!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That polar bear is thinking "fly on the wall oh man it moves"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >on the same level as anti-nuclear people
      So we're just gonna ignore that oddly specific comparison

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's honestly very apt. Nuclear energy is significantly cleaner, produces tons of electricity, and is by and large as perfect as we can have at the moment. But because of arguments that are pretty much outdated fears and superstitions, German environmentalists had theirs closed down, and not only is Germany been having power troubles, but they also are now going back into coal power. And despite every metric getting worse, German environmentalists refuse to admit they were wrong.

        It's a nonsensical and self-defeating belief.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >self-defeating
          No, its goals are just not what they claim to be. The anti-nuclear groups know exactly what they're doing: lobbying for endless "green" energy funding, which will never be able to produce anything nearly as effective at decreasing waste and improving energy output as Nuclear, so can only exist if people think Nuclear Bad.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I personally prefer sanctuaries and zoos that only take in hurt animals who would not survive in the wild and other conservation efforts.
    Zoos somewhat feel like an outdated concept, but, it is clear most zoos are trying to change that for the better.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It honestly depends on what’s being kept in them. We do know that for smarter animals like chimps they exhibit all kinds of fricked behavior to the point that they’re actually considered endemic in captive ones, other animals can also be depressed and whatever else from boredom and lack of stimulation too, but the fact is a lot of animals in zoos would die if they were released into the wild, either because they were raised in captivity or rescued so there’s not much that can be done, I don’t know how many zoos are doing “inhumane things” to their animals though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much any elephant zoo is (for want of a better word) doing the closest thing to rape you can to another animal, because the artificial insemination of the female elephants really, really fricks with their heads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I consider anti-zoo people on the same level as anti-nuclear people. Geniune morons that often hinder the causes they claim to care about.

      >But enrichment/size space!
      This is an argument for improving captivity, which is an ongoing process that has made great strides. It's not the 1920s anymore, animals aren't being kept in cages anywhere but roadside pads your uncle set up.

      >But freedom!
      Animals do not have a concept of freedom. You're anthropomorphizing them.

      >But they're from the wild!
      Very few are these days, most are rescues or captive bred. Though honestly considering the scale of things like poaching and hunting, it would probably benefit their conservation more if people were willing to take more of certain species into captivity.

      I have to agree. They’re ultimately a necessity on some level at this point. Things would change for the worse if they were gone tomorrow for whatever reason.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idk, I had family working at a big zoo. Got to visit backstage and see a bunch of stuff. Didn't look like anything bad was going on, bigger animals had lots of room to do things.

      Also, baby animals are cute as frick and I wanted to steal me a cheetah cub. Lil guys purr super loud tho.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesnt matter it is all kayfabe. Apes are not real at the end of the day.

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