HAHAHAHAHAHA FEATHERKEKS BTFO Posted on September 11, 2022 by Anonymous HAHAHAHAHAHA FEATHERKEKS BTFO
Pterodactyls were based, not a single gay feather on them.
>gives pterosaurs fur
>makes them look even cooler
I think the main reason is that when dinosaurs are suggested to have feathers, everyone's first mind goes to
>"OMG T. REX WAS JUST A GIANT CHICKEN, BUCK-BUCK-BUCKAW"
and subsequent depictions revolve around that, or trying way too hard to subvert that in the lines of
>"oh yeah?! Well, giant chickens are heckin' scary yo! But not too scary, because they're animals, not monsters! So they must be wholesome as well!"
In contrast, when pterosaurs fur/feather/whatever the fuck their body cover is called was discovered, people don't make these weird comparisons because no modern animal provided that. Thus, any subsequent pterosaur depiction actually force artists to be original with their design instead of revolving around a dumb idea.
its their head shape for me, they look like pyramid head
I had no idea there was such a violent argument about feathers on dinosaurs until I found this thread.
This entire thread is proof that the autistic should be gassed at birth
What is it with the scales only crowd who tend to hate color and want everything to be grey, black, or brown? It's like the retarded entertainment/videogame industry idea of how monsters should look and how it's most realistic for them to look boring as fuck or camo when in nature it's mostly just mammals who are boring and bland as fuck looking and everything from real lizards, to insects, to fish and birds have crazy colors.
Mammals are that colour because they are the largest animals currently living n earth. Almost every large bird is has a dull colouration.
>but ANYONE who acts like THEY KNOW FOR SURE or implies that SCIENCE is political is a FUCKING FREAK and needs to relax and shut the fuck up
Man, I wonder how we know for certain this animal was feathered
fucking chinese and their masterful sharpiework
typical asians being able to recreate fossilized microscopic structures with a cheap marker. i hate them and their mad skills so much.
It’s all those piano lessons, does wonders for dexterity
Could have been a bat
Why would a bat have feathers? You featherfags are taking it too far
I cannot think of anything more autistic than adults caring about dinosaurs.
Wow anon you're so cool and mature let me be your gf.
>I cannot think of anything more autistic than adults caring about animals.
I don't think about you at all. The only time I'm reminded that people seethe over feathers is when a gay thread like this happens to be on the front page when I visit the board.
why do feather cucks have such an obsession with subverting the history of all life so everything is a bird? why are they obsessed with all life being birds?
It's not "everything is bird", it's "bird come from dinosaur, therefor bird under dinosaur", and that was decided when they were still hashing out what "dinosaur" meant in the first place. Again, goes back to the 1860s, if that's "subverting history" then there IS no history.
If T. Rex and Velociraptors and Ankylosaurs and all the other enormous variety of things qualify as "Dinosaurs", what the fuck is the problem with birds coming out of that as ONE of the MANY things that count as dinosaurs?
Seriously, we are talking about the people who invented scientific racism making the decision. It has absolutely nothing to do with any Current Year politics, because the mainstream politics was fucking Monarchy.
Still no, because line-of-descent was not how they were classifying things at the time. The taxonomy was morphological, not cladistic, because cladistic taxonomy was literally not invented yet.
It's almost as if convergent evolution means that there can be bats and pterosaurs that are in no way birds at all yet still fly like birds.
...Except bats and pterosaurs DON'T fly like birds (membranous repurposed phalanges have VERY different flight dynamics) and the chain of anatomical similarities going back to inarguable dinosaurs is one of the most complete in existence.
Why are you so obnoxiously insistent that birds CANNOT be a subset of dinosaurs, when on basically every level the notion of dinosaurs as a distinct variety of life involves "they're obviously in between reptiles and birds"?
Darwin got started in the late 1830s before somebody else mailed him 20 years later and the two spent most of a year on finishing touches. This codification of disparate population models, trait inheritance, and mutation is what finally proved convincing to the wider naturalist community.
Yes, he did not invent it outright, nor was he the only one thinking about it. But he's the guy who pinned down an actual system that covered basic mechanisms and why they resulted in speciation, with strong examples to provide supporting evidence, resulting in the idea of a universal phylogeny finally "taking off".
>resulting in the idea of a universal phylogeny finally "taking off".
your mistake seems to be thinking that a taxonomy based on biblical "kinds" indicates a disbelief in inheritance. Which of course is untrue because even Darwin subscribed to that form of taxonomy.
It's wrong to think that just because Owen and others drew a strict line between dinosaurs and birds, the must not have believed them related by inheritance. Owen remarked repeatedly on his Dinosauria being erected on bird traits, and his correspondence indicates he was considering their manner of relation to both birds and extant reptiles when he named them.
You have it all mixed up.
Dinosaurs are a subset of reptiles.
Birds are adjacent to reptiles, just like mammals.
Feathercucks are actually brain damaged.
Birds are also technically reptiles.
Do you just not know what a clade is? Every tetrapod alive is an Amniote. Amniotes split into synapsids, who's only surviving members are mammals, and sauropsids, who's descendants include all reptiles AND birds. This was roughly 300 million years ago. Crocodilians and birds are the surviving Archosaurs, a subset additionally containing the considerable majority of dinosaurs otherwise unrelated to birds and the pterosaurs. THAT separation was around 250 million years ago.
What is frequently DEFINED as the First Bird is
, 150 million years ago, very difficult to separate from many other small theropods. Twice the distance down the "reptile" branch as between the "reptile" and "mammal" branches. There is no lineage connecting crocodiles to turtles without including birds in that lineage, and the lineage from the common ancestor of crocodiles and birds IS dinosaurs, specifically through the theropods.
The arguing about Tyrannosaurs having feathers is because they're the very next step away from skin-impression proofs. The development towards feathers would have to be defining of Maniraptora to FULLY leave out Tyrannosaurs.
...But bird skeletons ALSO look like reptile skeletons in rather close bone-for-bone terms. And it's not "leftists", this sentiment was devised by the inventers of Scientific Racism and Social Darwinism.
>But bird skeletons ALSO look like reptile skeletons in rather close bone-for-bone terms.
Not really. You should go back to r*ddit.
Occipital condyle structure, theropod "true" dinosaurs DID walk on two legs and many possessed Furcula ("wishbones"), they share nucleated blood cell anatomy, the formation of the jaw from five fused bones, crocodilians share a four-chambered heart, both groups possess a single middle ear bone...
There's A LOT of biological similarities between birds and reptiles even today not remotely shared with mammals.
>Still no, because line-of-descent was not how they were classifying things at the time.
I think you have a very childish view of the history of the theory of evolution. Darwin refined something that was being tossed around long before he was born. Owen was and evolutionist long before Darwin published, as most anatomists of the time were.
Why is people so fucking annoying about this?
Does it really mess up with your manliness if an animal has feathers or not?
Is it because messes with your childhood because you saw that gay garden gnome Spilberg dinosaur movie?
Super weird how people want this fucking EXTINCT animals to not have feathers
Its their sexuality mostly. They want to be fucked by dinosaurs, and they aren’t bending over for chickenosaurus.
Nothing else explains why they are so stupid they think this is recent and psychotically opposed to it. They were whacking it to JP the whole time and now their spank banks supply line may be cut off.
>It’s a hoax by the Chinese! Most of these feathered dinosaurs were described by the same Chinese guy, archaeoraptor proves they’re fakes
>Never mind the fact that same Chinese guy was the one who called archaeoraptor into question, or that archaeoraptor itself was a composite containing microraptor
The mind of the scalefag work in mysterious ways
No, he unironically believes Archaeoraptor is a "sacrifice" so people believe other Chinese fossils. Nevermind the fact that Archaeoraptor itself was just a composite made up of real animals. Or the fact that this implies that the paleoschizo unironically believes that a composite fossil hoax from 23 years ago is evidence that the Chinese somehow have the ability to fake complete fossils so accurately that no paleontologist on the planet can tell it apart from similar fossils from Europe.
this is the most braindead thread i have ever seen in my fucking life, how genuinely retarded do you need to be to believe there is some huge plot to make dinosaurs feathered and woke or that all dinosaurs were covered in rainbow-covered feathers. Actually bordering on schizo ngl.
How do people think feathers are effeminate or that scales are masculine why are you applying your human retardation to this shit jesus christ
Simple answer, they are furries.
heres your dinosaurs bro
You just don't understand lmao kys
feathers are an atack on the male identiy
>how genuinely retarded do you need to be to believe there is some huge plot to make dinosaurs feathered and woke
After seeing the 400th feathered carnotaurus you start to get doubts
it's called bait, anon
Do you retards ever consider that maybe, just fucking maybe, they could have patches of skin that don't have feathers? That maybe some were more covered than others? Maybe some had barely any feathers at all?
Good lord. The sheer variety of extinct life and inter-varieties must be positively mind-boggling.
Weird how everyone agreed Dinosaurs were scaled for hundreds of years and then in the last 10 years this feather psy-op inorganically popped up like we're expected to go along with it.
>in the last 10 years this feather psy-op inorganically popped up like we're expected to go along with it.
>implying feathered dinosaurs have only been around for ten years
I've literally never heard of this woke feathered dinosaur psy-op until the 2010's.
>I've literally never heard of this woke feathered dinosaur psy-op until the 2010's.
that's because you're an idiot that doesn't read any science.
Sinosauropteryx is over 25 years old now
I think thats the point anon. We don't know how much, how many of known species. At this point its just a circus to give paleo artists more stuff to do. Which I don't really get cause most of them live off making furry porn after all.
Feathers are a weak and feminine aesthetic. Soientists are trying to emasculate the historical perception of dinosaurs in order to drive away any sort of masculine or powerful imagery in the world. This is part of the two pronged attack to eradicate males from the human race because they are not passive creatures by nature that will obey like females. The first prong is the mental and societal attack on the masculine psyche, with inventions such as feathered dinosaurs. The second prong of attack is on the physical being, by introducing microplastics, estrogen and onions into the food supplies and environment, and convincing men to take hormone replacement therapy and amputate their male organs.
Feathered dinosaurs are fake, and it is a direct attack on the male identity.
Feathers are still feminine.
Your defense is using the animals actions which has nothing to do with the aesthetic being gayy.
>having a full head of hair is feminine
eagles are a symbol of masculinity. medium and small theropods are a symbol of 8 year olds and furries. yknow like barney.
Does anyone have that pic that had a not so friendly tumblr user saying
>Trust the science bigot
Followed by a scientist saying on loop
>Dinosaurs had feathers
>Actually they didn't
>Actually they did
It used to be posted so often in the past and I didn't save it.
Trust the science just not the one that talks about XX and XY chromosomes in humans.
I'm not anti science, but that meme did serve as a good way to criticise 'settled or static science' when science is all about iteration and paradigm shift after new discoveries take place.
>I'm not anti science
Brainlet: Dinosaurs were scaly.
NPC: Dinosaurs had feathers.
Intelligent person: Most dinosaurs had fur. Most famous dinosaurs were scaly due to this class of animals being giant and giant animals very rarely being able to afford being furry.
>dinosaurs were birds
>dinosaurs were mammals
why the fuck do garden gnomes hate the fact that there used to be badass warm blooded scaly reptiles so fucking much?
"Furred" dinosaurs wouldn't have literal mamalian hair, they'd have analogous structures to fur that are actually homologous to feathers. Look at cassowaries, emus, rheas, and kiwis for how this might look. The Ostrich is the outlier in having "actual feathers".
Of note, this is also a leg to stand on for "they lost the feathers in between!", in that the Ratites have a bunch of anatomical indications that they developed from more typical flighted birds yet most have clearly lost "feathers" for "fur".
Except your psy-op to ultimately get me to amputate my penis is missing one crucial fact. Dinosaurs were part of the class Reptilia, not part of the class Aves. Go fuck yourself feathermoron.
Reptilia doesn't exist.
Birds are members of Dinosauria, which are Archosaurs. Your argument is the same as insisting that Bats aren't mammals because they have wings or that barnacles aren't crustaceans because they're sessile.
Also, stop pretending you're not a self-inflicted eunuch with a mental illness, scalechud.
They're both Sauropsids, with "feathered dinosaurs" being nearly exclusively the Coelurosaurs. Aves comes from Maniraptora in particular with incredibly strong evidence to the point of an infuriatingly blurred line, but Tyrannosaurs are part of the Coelurosaurs. With how surrounded by feathers and feather-adjacent structures they are, it'd be a bit weird if NO Tyrannosaur had structures more related to them than to scales.
Also Reptilia is literally "non-bird sauropod". It's like saying monotremes cannot possibly be mammals because they lay eggs.
>Mammalia and Aves are both part of animalia so we're basically the same thing as birds too
this is how fucking retarded feathercucks sound
Dinosauria > Theropoda > Averostra > Tetanurae > Avetheropoda > Coelurosauria > Maniraptorformes > Maniraptora > Pennaraptora > Paraves > Avialae > Ornithothoraces > Euornithes > Ornithuromorpha > Ornithurae > Aves.
That is the chain of increasing specificity for birds. They are ALL of those, because that's how clades work. Tyrannosaurs branched off between Coelurosauria and Maniraptorformes, Oviraptors between Maniraptorformes and Maniraptora proper, and as you can see there's quite the list along the way to Aves.
The scientific definition of "dinosaur" MUST include birds, because birds have an incredibly clear line of descent from a group of them.
rewriting history again so dinosaurs are birds, i see what you're doing, soience cucks
>OH MY SCIENCE OH MY FAUCI DID YOU KNOW THAT MAMMALS ARE ACTUALLY BIRDS TOO?!
EIGHTEEN SIXTY-FUCKING-THREE saw Richard Owen describe a near-complete fossil as a bird despite numerous reptilian features. Literally the instant evolutionary theory was a thing people immediately went "Oh, so birds are dinosaurs, 'kay, good for filling the tree out".
This is not "erasing" or "rewriting" anything. Shoving feathers on T. Rex is pushed bullshit, but "birds are dinosaurs" is foundational to the most basic concept of "dinosaurs" as a scientific term back when Marx's babbling NEEThood was ongoing and Europe was run by monarchies.
Yep, it was originally described as the dinosaur Compsognathus, but then the feathers were found and they switched the classification to bird.
Guys, I think we broke his mind.
"Birds are Dinosaurs" does not mean "Dinosaurs are Birds". Birds are an extremely specific subset of Dinosauria, meaning supremely few of Dinosauria are Aves, and this was decided on in the 1860s.
This is not rewriting history, this is just plain history. Mostly due to the lucky find of Archaeopteryx being one of the most unignorably blatant transitional fossils to ever exist.
>this was decided on in the 1860s.
earlier than that
the name "Dinosaur" was invented to describe a type of hip bone only found in modern birds. So about 1840 or slightly earlier.
>earlier than that
No, it was decided in the 1860s as one of the very first explorations of evolutionary theory. Back when the term "dinosaur" was first coined in the 1840s taxonomy was still concerned with pure morphology because Darwin hadn't neatly layed out the baffling specialization of the Galapagos Finches.
Of course, Tyrannosaurus Rex was only described in 1905. A LOT of dinosaurs were never known in a world before "Birds are Dinosaurs".
>No, it was decided in the 1860s as one of the very first explorations of evolutionary theory.
Dinosauria was literally erected based on the fused synsacrum of Iguanodon and Megalosaurus, a trait only found in birds.
He’s gotta be leading you on, at least I hope he’s leading you on
>your psy-op to ultimately get me to amputate my penis
I mean you're clearly never going to use it....
>I mean you're clearly never going to use it....
>it’s too late anon, for I have already depicted you as the basedjack and myself as the gigachad
This thread is a great example of horseshoe theory
They clarly had phimosis cocks, that's just a circumcised penis from which the foreskin rubbed off during combat
They clarly had feathers, that's just a bald patch from which the feathers rubbed off during combat
What exactly is the purpose of a cold blooded animal having feathers for insulation? It's easy to understand that birds have feathers because they're warm blooded and thus need to retain the body heat, imagining that cold blooded reptiles were covered in feathers is retarded
Probably because they weren’t cold blooded, they were mesotherms with higher metabolisms than modern reptiles. If dinosaurs were cold blooded they wouldn’t have made it to Antarctica
Also the fact that they have an erect idle stance requires energy to be constantly generated, which isn’t possible for cold-blooded animals. And the fact that they’re tiny as babies and grew to be massive in a relatively short time is only achievable with metabolism high enough to be warm-blooded.
fucking retard one of the biggest deals with dinosaurs was that they were warm blooded reptiles which allowed them to be fuckhuge and dominate the entire earth for millions of years
they also had scales, feathers are a gnomish subversion to destroy masculine imagery from society and emasculate you
The problem with modern paleontology is that the feather fanboys are hell-bent on pushing the narrative that dinosaurs were wholesome puffball chonksters, desperately trying to change the traditional image of dinosaurs as primordial reptilian creatures.
Artist have the freedom to choose how they wish to depict extinct animals, and they’re free to depict them with or without feathers. Pic related, if an artist depict a scaly IRL dinosaur lkke Carnotaurus or something else like Pachyrhinosaurus with feathers, even if they’re just completely fictional headcanons, it’s usually met with celebration by the paleo-community. However, when an artist chose to depict a feathered IRL dinosaur such as raptors or ornithomimids without feathers, there will always be criticism pointing out the lack of feathers, even if the two depictions are equally as fictive. The double standard is obvious as day.
It’s funny how the modern paleontology online crowd has devolved into something very homologous to modern identity politics, and it’s even funnier when you realize that there’s a huge overlap between featherfags and scalefags with the equivalent political spectrum.
Not enough feathers
>the modern paleontology online crowd has devolved into something very homologous to modern identity politics,
This is the case with pretty much every hobby by the way. I like to call it zealotry. People are just insanely zealous now about everything and will make it an ideological issue.
I wouldn't be surprised if people were to interpret a lack of moral character into either of the points of views you mentioned
not reading but please lurk ten years before posting newfag-kun
>anons using this thread as an excuse to post feet pics of birds.
A tale as old as time
Could that not be part of like, the animal's snout or feet? I wou- ah what do i care
I think the dinosaur have feather
LMAO that looks 1:1 like the scales on the bottom of a bird's feet.
>each scale is less than half a millimetre wide
Somehow I doubt they’re from something as big as utahraptor
T.rex scales are also really small.
Almost like they aren't scales at all but skin patches
How do you know? Seems like it’d be real hard to tell whether it’s scales or unkeratinized lumpy skin, not that it’d make much of a difference
It’s almost like the smaller theropods had feathers and the majority of the larger ones didn’t. But no, that can’t be right, it has to be all or nothing?
PROOF THAT BIRDS DO NOT HAVE FEATHERS!
>jumps to conclusions about tiniest skin impression
For all the hate he gives to the featherfags, the scalefag is just as bad but on the opposite end of the spectrum
>people who unhealthily attach themselves to depictions of extinct animals exclusively for political reasons are unhinged and hypocritical
next you'll tell me that composite fossils aren't evidence that the chinese can alter matter at the molecular level
Don’t you know the Chinese are part of a worldwide hoax to fake fossils with technology so advanced they can make fake melanosomes and shit
I wonder, have there been any wikipedia wars on pages that mention feathers or scales on dinosaurs?
I haven’t heard of it, but the only one I’m aware of is the lion vs tiger wiki war
>but the only one I’m aware of is the lion vs tiger wiki war
Please more on this.
Basically the wiki page for tigers originally said something along the lines of it being the biggest and most powerful cat, which was apparently an indescribable offence against people who think lions are cooler and stronger and have a bigger cock. So the two sides started an argument that was so brain dead and so big it resulted in thousands of responses as people argued for weeks on end that their cat was the coolest, often cherry-picking videos of one beating the other in a fight as undeniable proof that their favourite was stronger as well as totally unrelated videos that would show how cool one was because the other totally wouldn’t be capable of the same thing. Some good memes came out of it too, like “you’re just a silly tiger fanboy” and “lion-tards”. I don’t know if there’s still any traces of it on Wikipedia, but if you want to see the exact same sort of debate go to the infamous lion vs tiger debate on the Carnivora forum which is like hundreds of pages long
I randomly came to this board to see if by the off chance someone had a way to deal with raccoons shitting all over the porch. But now I’ve learned that dinosaurfags have twitter trannies too.
>post of a morbidly obese depiction of Tyrannosaurus in thick, full body covering of complex feathers, more colorful than 2020s pride flag, with lip implants. All of them highly speculative elements.
>"YAAAASSSS QUEEN SLAAAAY THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE'LL NEVER KNOW FOR SURE, I LOVE SCIENCE"
>post about a small patch of unidentified scales in a bone bed containing Utahraptor
>"NOOOOOOO, THIS IS MISLEADING. PEOPLE WILL GET THE WRONG IDEA ABOUT DINOSAURS. IT'S MOST LIKELY FROM A LIZARD. MODERN BIRDS HAVE SCALES TOO. THIS WILL FUEL THE JP FANBOYS, NOOOOOOOOOOO"
Regardless of the true origins of the scales, why are they THIS insecure?
>why are they THIS insecure?
Too much estrogen.
Being "correct" is their entire personality
Except they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, they simply repeat what other people say without having an actual understanding of the subject matter
My assumption is that they've been pushing it so hard for so long that they've entrenched it into their very identity, and don't want to even consider that they're the paleontological equivalent of the "biblically accurate angel" retards acting like pic over things they don't actually understand
I'm sad that I was the fag who had this mindset in 1000 topics for most of my life.
I don’t get why people are so up in arms about it anyways. Finding that little patch of scales doesn’t mean they didn’t have feathers so why are the Twitter tards all losing their minds over it?
They never recovered from pic related
Can anyone tell me what dinos and what not had Feathers, with proves?
I'm more interested in if theropods had lips or not.
Personally I’m more concerned about whether or not they could probate their hands
I dunno about whether or not they could probate their hands but I do wonder if they could pronate their hands
What’s really got me thinking is the difference between a scale and a scute
The amount of copium of chud flags is amazing.
We all know it’s impossible it had feathers and scales. It’s not like an animal as large as this might have areas with no feathers like the upper thigh or belly like in modern ostriches, that’d be crazy
Spinosaurus had feathers.
Tbh, the by far largest droneosaur, living in a warm habitat evolving to be less feathery is not a huge shock too me.
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
Sparrow rex is good because it's satire and this entire discussion deserves to be satirized as much as possible.
>flight feathers on an advanced tyrannosaur
no one has ever suggested this ever. scalefags are delusional
Is this the paleofag guy back in action or just someone unrelated?
Every time with these threads
I wouldn’t get excited yet, there’s meant to be a herbivorous dinosaur in the same block. Could also just have big bald patches like an ostrich given how big it was
>Ornithopods and I believe lizards have been preserved in the same sediment. Just because it contains Utahraptor doesn’t mean everything preserved here is Utahraptor.
People really are jumping to the wildest of conclusions based off of a tiny, TINY piece of skin that could've come from anywhere.
Is it not possible, likely even, that some dinos had feathers and some didn't?
yes. And many had both feathers and scales in different body parts.
But you're talking with a schizo who thinks he's fighting an epic battle against "progressives" or some shit by being a scalefag and doesn't understand how science works.
He gets all excited about conservatives blasting progressives, when what we're seeing is scientists following the scientific process.
The find evidence and formulate an hypothesis -in this case many theropods had feathers, including close relatives, thus they hypothesize that the t-rex may have had feathers.
Then they find other evidence, and adjust their hypothesis
- in this case scale impressions of t-rex skin, thus the t-rex didn't have feathers.
>He gets all excited about conservatives blasting progressives, when what we're seeing is scientists following the scientific process.
lmao, no this is textbook pseudoscience. When evidence shows up to disprove the featherfag theory, the featherfag theory changes such that the new evidence is invalidated. "Oh, they only had feathers at the top of their head, you see". Bullshit.
You mean like the textbook conspiracy theory of “Nuh it’s all a Chinese hoax, they’re in on it despite the fact Europeans were involved in the descriptions”?
>When evidence shows up to disprove the featherfag theory, the featherfag theory changes such that the new evidence is invalidated
We don’t even know what species of dinosaur this impression is from though, or where on the body it is, or if there’s not also feathers in the same block waiting to be found
One would expect the feathers to be on the skin, not mysteriously waiting somewhere. Again, this is pseudoscience. You believe the dinosaur was feathered, so the feathers must exist in there somewhere. If they aren't there, then it must have been a diseased dinosaur or something, right? Maybe molting? But surely, healthy specimens were feathered. Why? Well, they just were. Stop asking questions - that's unscientific.
The fact is we've had examples of feathered dinosaurs for quite some time
and we've had numerous examples of unfeathered dinosaurs from their skin impressions for just as long. These new finds fit in with modern theories so coincidentally the only conclusion we should come to is that they are highly suspect, because all previous data indicated the opposite and indicated it quite strongly. This is not some new technique we used to determine the feathers existed, these are feathers appearing where they were not before. As if most previous finds were mysteriously not feathered, and suddenly all recent finds mysteriously feathered. "Science" is not a series of beliefs, it is a process. One that involves skepticism, not blind trust in everything presented to you. There needs to be a damn good explanation as to why the fossil record suddenly became a lot more bird-like around the time when paleontologists decided dinosaurs were more like birds. They should have been bird-like and feathered all along, not only recently. Was previous evidence of feathers destroyed? Are the rocks different in China? Was the climate different in Mesozoic China? What?
There needs to be an explanation, not "WELL THEY'RE FEATHERED NOW, SHUT UP".
>One would expect the feathers to be on the skin, not mysteriously waiting somewhere. Again, this is pseudoscience.
The point I was making is we don’t even know the skin is from utahraptor yet, there’s more than one species of dinosaur in the block. Even if it does turn out utahraptor had scales, saying so now is jumping to conclusions when we’ve got nothing more than a picture of a tiny piece of skin that hasn’t even been assigned to utahraptor yet
>You believe the dinosaur was feathered, so the feathers must exist in there somewhere. If they aren't there, then it must have been a diseased dinosaur or something, right? Maybe molting? But surely, healthy specimens were feathered. Why? Well, they just were. Stop asking questions - that's unscientific.
This is the most retarded shit I’ve ever read, I’m not even a featherfag
>so coincidentally the only conclusion we should come to is that they are highly suspect, because all previous data indicated the opposite and indicated it quite strongly.
This is why people call you a schizo
>these are feathers appearing where they were not before.
In most cases there are no feathers mysteriously appearing where they weren’t before because they’re from sites that hadn’t even been excavated at the time
>Are the rocks different in China? Was the climate different in Mesozoic China? What?
Well yes, the area was full of active volcanoes and the ash was an absolutely perfect area for preservation. We don’t just find feathered dinosaurs there, everything from dinosaurs with scales so well preserved you can tell what colour it was to fish so well preserved you can see what they’d last eaten are present in the Chinese fossil fields
The only feathers appearing out of nowhere are in taxonomy bracketing retardation
What were actually finding is a separate cold weather theropod population that evolved feathers
werent there featherless cold weather theropods too
Pretty sure all feathered dinosaurs would have had scales in the same way birds do, so yes
OP being a samefagging schizo again
If you're acting subversive, more than one person might notice that subversion
There is really only one person concerned with "subversion" in something as totally irrelevant and retarded as paleoart
You don't really believe that, you just wish that were the case.
Which begs the question, why?
FYI the utahraptor project is analyzing a 9 ton rock that happens to have scattered remains of utahraptor in it. It was essentially like la-brea tar pits and preserved a predator trap of sorts.
I wouldn't get too excited like feathernazis did when an, at best, extremely distant relative like yutyrannus was feathered. Cause for all we know this could've just been a random patch of skin from something else that died in the trap. In addition to just being a few millimeters big.
Just in case though, scalechads, I kneel...
They did say that the skin might have come from a stray lizard, but I personally doubt this because the scale texture does not look squamate at all, it has the distinct pebbly pattern of an archosaur skin. I think it’s more likely it came from another dinosaur which also got trapped in the site if it didn’t originate from the utahraptors, or if it truly came from one of the raptors it can always be like an ankle skin or something.
Either way, good find which might have interesting further development.
Apparently there’s at least 2 iguanodonts preserved alongside the utahraptors, so if I had to guess it’s probably those
>extremely distant relative like yutyrannus was feathered
Yutyrannus lived in a region that regularly snowed and was cold/cool year-round. Saying "Yutyrannus was feathered" to justify other massive theropods being feathered is like looking at a woolly mammoth and then extrapolating that African Elephants should have thick coats of fur.
What's with the sudden push towards snow and glaciers and shit in dinosaur times? Afaik the entire Mesozoic was a hothouse earth with no year round glaciers anywhere on earth. That honestly bothers me personally more than over feathering, although I'm glad someone realized feathers were for thermo-regulation and wouldn't make much sense on larger species.
Probably not glaciers or a lot of tundra, but a lot of areas around the poles would have seen some pretty heavy snowfall
>find more real world evidence of what dinosaurs looked like
>NOO THIS ISNT SCIENTIFIC!
>MUH JURASSIC PARK!
Retards have conflated "progressive" with "scientific" in recent years.
Been that way ever since the luminiferous aether was ""debunked"".
Featherfags won’t care. We have skin samples for dozens of dinosaurs, and the featherfags march on regardless. Science as a discipline is dying and becoming a religious cult where you just nod your head and don’t ask questions. It is sad to see, but at least with paleontology nobody will get killed.
Hopefully at least the fraud of the Chinese hoax fossils will be exposed.
The only hoaxes are their fancy composite fossils. The feathers are much realer than their place in the taxonomy of this midwit discipline.
no chud, dinosaurs all had flight quills, even though none of them flew yet
wait, do birds not have skin?
interesting id like to see your math...!
So all of the dinosaur skin impressions we've recovered were from bald dinosaurs? Curious.
No one is claiming archaeopteryx was featherless
They are claiming raptors were featherless though, and I don’t just mean utahraptor
Modern “science” is just doing whatever garden gnomes tell you to
Taxonomy in paleontology is hilariously wrong. It does not have feathers until you find it with feathers.
It can get already pretty ridiculous with extant species, especially with entomologists since there's so much diversity. Now imagine trying to reclassify entire taxa by just finding a newly discovered fossilized skin tissue
Feathers in archosaurs have always been a poor taxonomic indicator anyway. Archosaurs can just randomly decide they don’t want feathers anymore and become scaly even with feathered ancestors. Moreover, an archosaur species can have both scales AND feathers at the same time. This is already demonstrated in many, many archosaur species. Maybe even crocodilians if you consider that they have the genes which code for feathers which are just dormant, and crocodilians are always consistently scaly. This shows that feathers as a phenotype can just be turned on and off if the species felt like it. Saying “muh most dinosaurs have feddurs” just because there are closely related species with feathers is asinine and dogmatic, especially with how unstable the feather phenotype is.
Dinosaur skin was bright yellow by default if we go by the color in most birds feet.
Bird feet have a wide variety of colors, pink, black, brown, blue, yellow, beige, grey...
You can still make rainbow colored dinosaurs if you want to
Wait, birds have scaly feet so this skin patch is clearly just what the skin looks like UNDERNEATH the feathers (the feather wasn't preserved for some reason)
All it took was one patch of preserved skin and that's all it takes to make the "pro-science" feather crowd expose their true colors.
Seeing people genuinely seething about this is extremely strange
I thought accuracy was important?
It’s pretty unsurprising if you ask me, but still hilarious to look at. They always scream about scientific accuracy, but it’s clear that it’s all just an excuse to justify their fanaticism and pride, because sounding smart by spouting big-word nonsense gave them a superiority boner. Once their narrative is challenged by something like this, they double down just like in that picture.
Case in point, there’s already numerous evidences of Tyrannosaurus skin samples, from multiple body locations, and they’re all consistently scaled and featherless. And EVEN THEN, these “progressive and pro-science” paleoartists would still bargain with shit excuses to depict Tyrannosaurus with feathers.
>w-we don’t have the rest of the skin impressions of the entire body! That means there’s still a chance that they had feathers!
>it just makes sense! All the other tyrannosaurids were feathered!
>t-the scales are only on the undersides and legs! They had feathers!
>n-noooooo! Muh chickenosaurus!
It’s almost borderline fetishistic at this point.
>it’s clear that it’s all just an excuse to justify their fanaticism and pride, because sounding smart by spouting big-word nonsense gave them a superiority boner. Once their narrative is challenged by something like this, they double down just like in that picture.
You mean like how OP just wants an excuse to make them all scaly, even the ones we know were feathered to the point where he claims every fossil that contradicts what he thinks is a hoax?
We got a live one, boys.
>it just makes sense! All the other tyrannosaurids were feathered!
This is where they show their ignorance the best. The tyrannosaurIDS (Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Albertosaurus, Tyrannosaurus itself, etc) show no evidence of feathers in all of the skin impressions we have of them. Their relatives, the tyrannosaurOIDS (which includes the feathered tyrant itself, Yutyrannus) are the ones who had feathers of varying amounts.
The Proceratosaurids are the ones with feathers, both Tyrannosaurids and Proceratosaurids are Tyrannosauroids
I think it's more about them knowing they were smug cunts to other people and the prospect of having to acknowledge they might have been wrong is terrifying to them.
It’s even funnier when you consider we don’t even know whether the skin is from utahraptor and it wouldn’t even mean it didn’t have feathers yet they still act like this
Basically yeah. If a tiny patch of unidentified scales is all it takes for them to go into full defense cope mode, I can’t imagine how they would react if it’s confirmed that the scales really are from Utahraptor and from a place which should be covered in feathers. Granted, I highly doubt it’s from Utahraptor to begin with and even if they are, it’s probably from the ankles or something. Still, would be hilarious if true.
On a more serious note, though, if they do belong to Utahraptor (and from what should be the feathered parts), that in itself would be super interesting as well. If that’s the case, that would re-evaluate everything we assumed that we knew about dromeosaurs.
>A... certain...crowd of people
What actually did he mean by this?
So the antagonist in their heads is this superficial, testosterone-fueled, pop-culture jock who also reads paleontology papers?
I get the feeling that the feathered Dino crowd just likes being subversive and doesn't actually care for accuracy.
The reason why feathers are so popular in their sect isn’t because they actually care about science. They just use science as an excuse because calling Tyrannosaurus a giant bird is a cool hot take for the general public.
Their wet dream is to spot normies talking about dinosaurs, butting-in and go AKSHUALLY with all the “obscure dinosaur deeplore” they have, and be praised for being smart. Dinosaurs having feathers is just the lowest hanging fruit in this subject.
The awesomebro JP fan boogeyman
The strawman they built up in their heads.
In the minds of featherfags there lives a chad with a backwards baseball cap and a tank top who scalps anyone who claims Jurassic Park wasn't scientifically accurate.
Meanwhile they're the only one who ever bring up Jurassic Park in discussions.
That's me, I'm that chad.
me too, brother. how many feathergay scalps you got?
Jurassic Park’s tyrannosaurus is still pretty accurate; could have been fatter maybe.
It probably needs lips too, but that’s not definitive, just likely.
Sure Jurassic park wasn’t accurate but the only people who say that all the time are Twitter or reddit users, if you’re seeing people say that so often you need to spend less time obsessing over dead animals
People like OP? He is making fun of them with meme edits of their responses, after all. Some people do want dinosaurs to be scaly just as badly as the guys in that screenshot want dinosaurs to have feathers.
It's so dumb either way, with scalefags and featherfags both acting like dinosaurs have to look the way they want them to look. I don't care, scales and feathers are both fine. It doesn't matter to me if it turns out that dinosaurs looked unappealing to my tastes. I'd still love to see what they looked like, and I'm excited about any new fossils that offer hints about their appearance in life.
Are you really so autistic that you think those people are being serious?
>implying paleonerds of all people have any capacity to generate humorous sarcasm.
I'm autistic enough to know that those people are autistic enough to be serious. Strong scaly/furry degenerate vibes on top of nerd head canon.
I don't get why leftists are so obsessed with saying dinosaurs are related to birds when their skeletons look like reptile skeletons.
>their skeletons look like reptile skeletons
I don’t know any reptiles with wishbones that walk on 2 legs and have a beak though
HAHAHAHA FEATHER TRANNIES BTFO
I’m a stegosaurus chad so I’ve never had to worry about this bullshit but I’m glad the feathertrannies have been exposed as the contrarian gays they are, who have been hiding behind “MUH TRUST THE SCIENCE, GOY!”
For me, it's the Triceratops.
The council has judged you based.
anklesaurus is pretty neat too
Armored dino chads rise up.
I don't have an ankylo pic on hand so please enjoy a pachycephalosaur.
>I’m glad the feathertrannies have been exposed as the contrarian gays they are, who have been hiding behind “MUH TRUST THE SCIENCE, GOY!”
OP here, can't believe this thread is still up lmao.
Anyway, all things considered I highly doubt the minuscule patch of scales would change anything about what we already knew about dromaeosaur feathers, that is assuming that the scales even came from Utahraptor to begin with. But what made me kek is exactly what you said, it exposes the featherfags for being the disingenuous virtue-cunts they are. They never cared about the science, just their egos.
furries vs scaliefags are you jokng
they're both furries
Ok, but to clarify: Birds are still technically dinosaurs, right?
Birds are birds
Dinosaurs are reptiles
Yes. Even in the unlikely event it did turn out utahraptor weren’t feathered that wouldn’t change
Not technically. Aves are the only living theropods. They're highly derived for flight which makes them incredibly different in body plan from all other Maniraptorians even when they lose the ability to fly secondarily, but they're as much dinosaurs as Dromaeosaurs. The fact that they survived a space rock exploding Mexico doesn't mean that they're magically excluded from Dinosauria, unless you're going to unironically say that the derived traits of animals like whales, bats, and even humans that has given them incredibly unique body plans and behaviors is proof that all of those animals are no longer mammals.