Found an injured pigeon in my garden. Wrapped it in a towel and brought in, it's sitting in a picnic bag now. Looks like it was attacked by a cat. What do?
Found an injured pigeon in my garden. Wrapped it in a towel and brought in, it's sitting in a picnic bag now.
So poor, please take good care of it. If it recovers, please let me know, thanks.
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After a while you can get a nice potted plant for him to live in. Get a nice wild bird mix at tractor supply or the like. He'll really like black oil sunflower seeds . Also get some maggots or grubs. The protein will help heal. Aloe is okay for birds, the gel from the real plant, not the leaves or plant skin. Clean that wound. keeping him still and safe, then apply aloe. He can eat it off if you get too much which is ok.
Don't let him fuck about while cleaning that wound. Untainted soap and water, like ivory white. You're a human. He might kick, flap and bite, but he's a pigeon. If that wing doesn't heal and starts to stink you're gonna have to remove it. Get some of the evil ivan-o-mackin in bird strength, just get the finch kind and scale up. Don't try and use the horse paste it isn't gonna work. 5 drops of finch ivo under the wing twice a week until the wing looks better or you have to cut it off. Cut at the joint if it comes to it.
t. birb rehaber
What's the quickest and most humane way to end a bird's life if you don't have access to many tools?
Shovel slammed into the neck?
Small bombs in the food
They will explode painlessly
If it's a small one you just pick it up by the head and flick your wrist while swinging overhand, like you're cracking a whip. This breaks its neck and kills it instantly.
Fuck vets and fuck NPCs who parrot "take it to a vet"
This is one of the wonders of Wauf, any random cerebrotonic autist or schizoid with a head full of thoughts he usually doesn't express will wander into a "My grandma died of leukemia" thread and start posting his multi-paragraph grand theory of why One Should Not Care if Grandma Dies.
Nobody in real life would care this much to contradict some lady who likes to take care of injured raccoons in a way that's slightly detrimental or wonky. Nobody would over- and misinterpret OP's desire to give an animal a good life as a domestic as CONTRARY TO THE LAW OF NATURE RED IN TOOTH AND CLAW, THE BELLUM OMNIUM CONTRA OMNES, the exchange would just go "isn't it better to let nature take its course" "sometimes, but these birds still live good lives and this is fairly standard to do" "ah.. yeah I can see that I guess, not for me but sure." But Wauf is the one context where you won't be considered weird for taking one technicality or minor aspect of the situation and being extremely, autistically opinionated about it. It brings them out of the woodwork.
Microwaves heat unevenly so you can't always be sure what the internal temperature is. Most of the time this just causes something dense like meat to be cold internally and warm externally, but if you heat something with high water content the external or fluid medium can cool relative to the still hot internals. It's standard advice not to give children or animals things like peas heated in a microwave without cheating the temperature. Another opinionated autist.
>The vet had no legal obligation to OP. Prove to me the vet had a legal obligation to OP. That's just the way of the world man, that's the cold hard law of the jungle, prove to me the vet was legally obligated to ...
Another one.
Autism + phone induced skim reading ADHD is the worst combo.
>food heats unevenly so you can't always be sure what the internal temperature is. Most of the time this just causes something dense like meat to be cold internally and warm externally, but if you heat something with high water content the external or fluid medium can cool relative to the still hot internals. It's standard advice not to give children or animals things like heated peas without cheating the temperature. Another opinionated autist.
tftfy
You know what else is standard advice? Searing a steak seals in moisture, microwaves remove nutrients, and walking under a ladder will curse you. Are any of these things actually true? No. Congrats on getting duped by mommy bloggers who think that pushing out a crotch goblin makes them the most intelligent beings in the universe. Stop being gullible. Everything you hear isn't true.
>Searing a steak seals in moisture
How is that not true? Have you literally never cooked a steak before? Where the fuck do you think the steam is coming from if a steak is left too long in a pan?
People who actually cook regularly know that it's a myth. A seared steak actually has slightly less moisture content than an unseared one.
>Call me an opinionated autist, will you? Well, listen here. I'll concede immediately that the advice you gave, in passing, in a completely benign context, for the sake of not harming a baby, is indeed very common advice, universally bandied about. But it's still wrong, and YOU ADHERED TO IT! YOU ADHERED TO SOMETHING INCONSEQUENTIAL AND TECHNICALLY WRONG FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY WHEN DISCUSSING AN UNRELATED TOPIC!!! Next time you go around telling people "try tapping the jar, I hear that works sometimes," RESEARCH whether that advice first appeared on Mama Bessie's Ketchup Recipe Tips blog in 2007 you fucking gullible RETARD! Did you even watch the Mythbusters episode debunking this before telling your friend, willy nilly, to tap his ketchup?!
Go fuck yourself
>calls me an autist for correcting him
>points out that he's still wrong
>has a wall of text meltdown cope post about being corrected
like pottery
I hope you never go see a doctor or take any medication. Die a natural death as soon as you can please. A bird who gets to roam the house and garden with one wing living in comfort being fed well every day is not an unhappy bird. It'll be far happier than the billions of pet hamsters around the world trapped in tiny cages.
The bitch hag vet spoke so fast in the voicemail. No hint of gentleness. Also fuck the receptionists and vet assistants too for not passing on the message to the vet, and they did pass the message but the vets lied about only seeing the message after euthanising then double-fuck her. Praying she gets her left arm ripped off one day.
Even if the bird had zero chance of survival, OP specifically requested to be notified beforehand if a euthanasia was going to take place so he could attend. They didn't even allow him to be there in the bird's final moments. Or even bury the body. Just "bird's gone lol". If you don't see how disgusting that behavior is, you are not human.
This entire fucking thread just proves that birdfags are more mentally insane that catfags and dogfags combined
You're not wrong but leave us alone we're not bothering you
Your terms are acceptable.
Good day.
>oh but anon cat saliva is LETHAL to birds
Yeah no not every bird is going to die from it. They have immune systems. They can fight infections. Maybe it got lucky and was not infected just injured. Maybe it could be OPs pet and provide years of companionship and joy. Fuck fuck fuck fuck
Fuck I hate humans. They'll do anything to save or improve human life even killing many animals along the way but won't help an animal unless it's cute and domesticated. Animals have a will to live too even if they're injured. The pigeon is not happier to be dead, it wouldn't have said please kill me it would say please help me or maybe please leave me alone but it didn't want to die it was recovering already.
>Animals have a will to live too even if they're injured. The pigeon is not happier to be dead, it wouldn't have said please kill me it would say please help me or maybe please leave me alone but it didn't want to die it was recovering already.
Exactly. I would have given it a happy indoor/garden life as a pet pigeon and I said as much. Sure it would suffer if it was to be released into the city with just one wing but I EXPLICTLY said I would house it, take care of it, and let it live out the remainder of its natural life in comfort.
Fucking inflexible assholes. NEVER TAKE SERIOUSLY INJURED WILDLIFE TO THE VETS.
If you didn't curse the absolute piss out of the vet for going against literally all of your wishes at no realy benefit to them other than laziness, you are a bitch cuck and deserve to be sad.
all pigeons are domesticated and have been since being domesticated in the middle east, we abandoned them all because we didn't need them anymore
Not all, only columba livia domestica. There are many species of columbidae that are native within their ranges and were never domesticated. Besides the behavior of feral domestic pigeons doesn't really differ at all from their wild cousins.
I thought only americans or teenagers would be retarded enough to give credit to Waufner on a litteral life or death questions, glad the schizo finally bring it to a vet even if it put an end to his suffering
>then proceed to whine about pakis and women
lol
OP, if it makes you feel any better, pigeons are sold for pretty cheap. There are some cool looking breeds out there, I'd recommend reading about how you raise pigeons (although a pair is recommended, you can get a pigeon to bond with you instead)
Birds are too dusty. I wanted this one because it chose my door to recuperate at after being attacked. I was chosen but I failed it...
The law is the law.
>the arbitrary words on paper are arbitrary words on paper
thank fuck time to do coke with my pet bobcat
OP here. It was euthanised by the vets. I really regret taking it to the vets. This was the best vet in the area for exotics too... I pleaded with them but they didn't even have the curtsy to call me back before euthanising.
>Nooo we can't possibly treat this pigeon for you just so that you can keep it and give it a happy disabled life.
Fucking sham.
Oh no.. They just did it unilaterally without consulting you? Even though they handle exotics and you specifically told them not to? Did they give any indication they would act so cruelly without even consulting you?
I'm sorry OP. The poor guy didn't deserve it. Such a pointless loss of a life that probably would have been perfectly full.
>And who would that be pray tell?
I wish you had been nearby, the people I know are all nice ladies who act like medics on a battlefield when it comes to triage like this. Probably the fucking retarded vet gave it to his technicians and decided its fate in two seconds. Animals are remarkable self healers and unless they're horribly suffering they should be given a fighting chance.
The absolute worst case scenario even if they're telling the truth is still that they should have just called you, and treated it with the same seriousness as any pet. How could it have gone from stable to so bad it needs euthanasia in such a short time? They probably made some lazy snap judgement.
I'm sorry man. Bless you for trying. If it helps and you're into this kind of thing you could still reach out to local wildlife rehab and ask to help out some time and learn some basics. I can do very basic things like feed and hydrate but I need to learn how to treat broken wings and maybe take care of squirrels and such too (at least disinfect, triage, and administer anti-inflammatory steroids and painkillers), for cases like this. Maybe this could be the seeds of helping some other poor animals down the line.
>They just did it unilaterally without consulting you?
I left the vets a message in writing and verbally with receptionist and with the RSPCA staff. Because they didn't know when the vet appointment would be and I had to go back to work. They didn't call me before euthanisation like I requests. They called me after and had the audacity to comfort me saying "he's in heaven now and that he was already cremated. Fuck vets.
Ultimate it's not my pet but a wild animal so once I've handed it over to the rescue people I don't get a say in what happens to it. Everything is at the vet's mercy, my pleas are just that, nothing more. They decided to kill the bird instead of letting it be my fren.
>Did they give any indication they would act so cruelly without even consulting you?
This is well known knowledge. That's why I was reluctant to take it to a vet. Wild animals are treated like wild animals not pets. It's not my pet so I have no say in it.
Generally they will "do what's best for the animal" which basically means unless they can easily get it into a condition that allows it to survive in the wild they don't bother. The fucking RSPCA bitch made it sound like the vets would actually consider my suggestion to home it after amputation. Fuck that hag.
Fuck you, mercy have a nice day.
The world's such a gay place
Some paki vet tech is going to go home and watch "The Great British Bake Off" and piss birth control pill slurry into the water supply but a beautiful creature is dead
How do I tell God I would rather have the pigeons? Why is the world a McDonalds ball pit for gay retards who only pause playing with the plastic balls and sucking eachother's cocks just long enough to say "Bro it's just an animal. Unlike me"
>Some paki vet tech
They were all stuck up follow-the-rules whitoid women. A thirdie would definitely bend the rules for me, and Pakis/Pajeets generally all love pigeons. I should have just followed that one video of the Romanian guy stitching up his pigeon with sewing thread, fuck 1st world vets and their codes and bureaucratic Karen bullshit.
The problem is they think rules are some all powerful thing to follow and then make up make-believe jobs for people to check if the rules are followed to the letter who's sole purpose is to enact things by the letter not the spirit.
Sure unregulated "rehab" can just be one crazy hoarder but use some fucking common sense. If the animals are well cared for then there is obviously no issue.
Pigeons barely count as wild animals anyway. Especially young ones like the one I found.
FUCK VETS. FUCK BUREAUCRACY. And fuck all the "take it to a vet" NPCs.
Sorry if you're a paki I don't even mind pakis I was just picturing typical go-nowhere from-nowhere retard with a job, you're right white women are a better summation of that anyway.
Fifty years from now you and the OP won't remember eachother but the seeds of dog shit you planted and nurtured in your soul for the sake of petty "owns" like this one will have grown and imperceptibly overtaken your whole life, as they probably already have
Taking the low road for that petty dopamine hit always hurts you more in the long run
It's so much worse than that - a lifetime of pettiness follows you after this life ends.
Not a brown myself but I almost understand why my countrymen would take importing Pakis and Pajeets men over fucking white w*men to make native workers.
God I wish I can make a Vocaroo of the voicemail the vet hag left me to show you guys.
Post a recording of the voicemail for science.
Without antibiotics and proper treatment for the wound death by infection was pretty much an inevitable outcome anyway. It's also been 18 hours between your first post and the euthanization, so it'd most likely have ended badly even if they had treated it instead of just killing it.
>Without antibiotics and proper treatment for the wound
I could have bought antibiotics and treated the wound. I thought I'd leave it to the experts who would actually know how best to deal with the tissue damage but they just killed it instead.
You said a broken bone was sticking out of the wound, that's probably beyond the level of what you'd be able to deal with. Assuming you'd first buy antibiotics when you got off work, you'd still first be administering oral antibiotics nearly 24 hours after the incident occured, probably too late at that point. Don't get me wrong the retards telling you to go to a vet were retarded, but in this case I doubt it'd have lived either way.
Are you a vet? How would you treat a bone sticking out? Or a fracture?
Poor guy, it really deserved a happy life.
Bless you for taking care of it all the way through.
It's a pigeon, dude. You should have mercy killed it yourself.
Why do people have a such a hard on to try and prevent nature from doing its thing?
because avoiding preventable death when you can makes sense. a lot of people have a compassion response when they see a suffering animal. we give people antibiotics because it’s a waste to let someone die of a sinus infection. just the same people rehabilitate birds with injuries to minimize suffering. if your pov is “let nature take its course” you probably won’t understand - i know that comes from a place of deep respect for nature too but intervention is often beneficial to the animal
>Why do people have a such a hard on to try and prevent nature from doing its thing?
humans are nature, therefore a human taking care of a random pigeon is nature doing its thing
https://directory.helpwildlife.co.uk/search/?geodir_search=1&stype=gd_rescue&s=+&snear=&sspecies_helped%5B%5D=Pigeons&sgeo_lat=&sgeo_lon=
Was just recommended this
You may need to get him those antibiotics quick if you want to be safest.. I know you're at work and this is a pain but if you can.
Weird thought but maybe even coworkers or friends have spare amox lying around? Lots of people often do since it's the most common one prescribed in many places
https://www.pigeonrescue.sirtobyservices.com/commonailments-2/predatedorshot/
>Antibiotic treatment is important, even if there is no visible signs of a wound….cats and dogs carry pasteurella in their saliva which can cause them to die of fatal pasteurella septicemia within 24 hours unless they receive antibiotics promptly…often they die before they show any symptoms. Hawk claws and bullets can push dirt and debris deep into a wound and this can cause infection.
>The best antibiotic is an amoxycillin/clavunate combination such as Synulox, Noroclav or Clavaseptrin as these have the broadest action. Baytril, often the choice of vets, is not the ideal antibiotic as it may not be very effective against some puncture wounds and some bacteria. The dose of this combination for a pigeon is 1/4 of a 50mg tablet per every 100 gms of pigeon given twice a day for at least 7 days…for severe wounds the antibiotic treatment can continue for up to 21 days.
>Check the bird for injuries on its breast, back and under the wings. It might also have a broken wing or a broken leg that will need setting by a vet…sometimes the crop ruptures and needs to be sutured. If you take a pigeon to a vet for treatment don’t be bullied into having it put to sleep because its injuries look so bad . Their chances of survival are often incredibly high.
>Unless the body cavity (internal organs) are visible, you should flush the wound aggressively with sterile saline then smear on an anti bacterial barrier cream such as F10. Keep the wound moist with the barrier cream so that a scab doesn’t form…it is important to remove any scabbing as it appears and gradually clean new flesh will build up inside the wound cavity.
>The bird will need to be treated for shock: warmed on a heat pad or on a hot water bottle, or under a heat lamp, for at least half an hour and then given rehydrating solution made by mixing 1/2 pint warm water , with 1/2 tablespoon of glucose, or honey (or if you can’t get either of those, sugar) and half a teaspoon of salt. Dip the pigeon’s beak in this solution to encourage it to drink.
>Leave the pigeon for a few hours before attempting to make it eat…only when it is warm and rehydrated should you offer it food and even then it might be necessary to hand feed it: defrosted peas and corn, served warm and popped in the beak one at a time are a good choice for hand feeding injured birds until they are ready to feed themselves. Start with very small feeds and then build up to around 100 pieces a day.
It looks like antibiotics and treating the wound with an antibiotic cream too are important op, can you get amoxicillin by and chance? Human amox is the same or maybe the local vet would be willing to help. The website I just linked also has a local rehabber locator.
Note the their chance of recovery is often extremely high statement
you can mix human antibiotics in olive oil or simple syrup to dilute it and make it easier to administer to a bird via syringe in the mouth aimed into the crop
>If you take a pigeon to a vet for treatment don’t be bullied into having it put to sleep because its injuries look so bad
OP here. At this stage now. Going to the vets on my own dime because the RSPCA won't give me a lift to argue against euthanising the little retard.
Wish I knew the thing about flushing before this...
I want a retard pigeon fren. It will never reproduce so the weak genes won't pass on, all very natural.
Thanks for doing this OP definitely do not euthanize it's so unnecessary. He just needs a little help. Even if you just talk a vet into giving you the antibiotics you can do a lot on your own, but I do think he should see someone to clean and set that wound obviously!
They make lovely pets if it comes to that. Mine is currently flying around and making pff pff noises with his wings.
I should have tried to treat it myself.
>Noo this is too serious! He's really badly hurt! He's going into respiratory distress!
Fucking liars.
>I do think he should see someone to clean and set that wound obviously!
And who would that be pray tell?
Lesson learnt. Vets are not to be trusted with seriously injured wild animals. Only take minor injuries to the vets.
>I should have tried to treat it myself.
Yes, but you should have learned about blood feathers after a few minutes of Googling after finding it.
No-one told me about them until the middle of the day when I was already at work and it literally does not come up on Google at all unless you search for it specifically. At least I know now for future.
>Keep the wound moist with the barrier cream so that a scab doesn’t form…it is important to remove any scabbing as it appears and gradually clean new flesh will build up inside the wound cavity.
Keep flesh wounds moist! Keep blood feathers dry! The blood wasn't just from blood feathers. Like I said, there was a bone sticking out.
aaaa poor guy. i hope he makes it
You need to remove the blood feathers or it will bleed to death. Take it to a vet. This isn’t a blog.
The vet killed it.
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/the-state/farm-raided-animals-killed-permit
>Petoskey, MI — A Michigan farm owner's desire to help animals in need has landed her in jail and the animals she was helping, killed. Kei Ju Farm and Rescue owner Julie Hall did not pay the government for the proper permit before helping animals so officials arrested her and then killed her animals.
>Unfortunately, the arrest warrant wasn't the only thing these DNR agents brought. They also brought their guns and began killing all the animals Hall had been rehabilitating.
>“What happens is the wildlife is raised, sometimes if you let it go, they become a nuisance or even a disease issue here."
I genuinely despise the majority of humanity. Close minded, power tripping fools, the whole lot of them.
this is why I want to punch every cunt that says 'the law is the law"
It was probably dying of blood loss and in pain because OP is too retarded to know about avian care. Any bird owner knows what a blood feather is. Imagine if I stabbed your rib cage with a metal straw, how much blood would you lose over the period of a day? The vet arguably did the right thing and mercy killed it.
>Any bird owner knows what a blood feather is.
I'm not a bird owner that's why I asked here, and he wasn't bleeding out from those. He wasn't even bleeding. All the blood (which came from muscle and bone damage) has dried so much I couldn't even wash it out, you sanctimonious cunt.
I’m glad your shitbird died ripbozo
Oh wow look I was right
But hey at least the poor thing got to suffer for hours longer just so you could feel good about yourself right OP.
IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE EUTHANISED. I COULD HAVE TRIED TO SAVE IT. THE VETS EUTHANISED NOT BECAUSE IT WAS AN UNSURVIVABLE INJURY BUT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE "A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE" AFTER WHICH IS BULLSHIT. I hope you get euthanised when you break a leg.
>Take it to a vet
Lmao
>Taking an injured 'pest' animal to a vet
>I want a retard pigeon fren.
I fed some pigeons every day for around six months. I finally got them to let me get close and pet them/hand-feed and then some pigeon-hating gay moved into my building and I had to take my feeder down.
I'm sorry bro 🙁
OP seriously you need to put an end to its suffering. All a vet will do at this point is euthanize it. Put a blanket over it and crush its head with a brick. It won't feel a thing but it won't be in pain anymore.
Vet: why'd you bring a fucking pigeon in here? I'm gonna kill it and you're gonna pay me
T-thanks
jfc the toxoplasmosis is strong with this one
>hey I think this bird I found was mauled by a cat
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEINDISCRIMINANTSCREECHINGARARARARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP
It also has a broken foot it seems... but that's the least of its issues...
give it pic rel
Aight, gimme a sec I have some eggs and peas cooled and ready
Don't give eggs, I think I was warned specifically against egg (and dairy especially) once.
I would just give him the peas to let him eat if he wants, but not try to force him in this state - you have to kind of hold them and do some trickery to pop their mouth open, and I can't imagine that will be fun for him with his wing like this.
Is his eye closing like that all the time? Or is he just blinking in these last few pics.
>Don't give eggs, I think I was warned specifically against egg (and dairy especially) once.
Okay then I'll eat the egg.
>but not try to force him in this state
He's absolutely not gonna eat on his own. But it does look like he's trying to sleep after I woke him at 5am so I'll let him rest for a bit before peas.
He's prob not juvenile but is very very young. You can tell from the nice dainty feet.
Also nah he opens his eyes when I make any noise.
He may not even have to eat ASAP, if the verdict comes in to get him to a rehabber soon anyway. My hope is someone can drive to you. My mindset is just minimizing trauma/stress as long as he's basically stable.
I don't mean leave altogether, but he does stand on his own when left alone right? Does he eat/drink?
Yeah, he's chilling on top of a hot water bottle covered by a soft pile rn. Very relax, looks like he's going to either sleep or die, he's even grinding his beaks.
What a cute bird
Any update anon? hope hes doing ok
Alive and puffy, he's napping. I'm going to cover the lid from light and head to work.
Called RSPCA, they said they'll send an officer when then can. Called the local wild life rescue, the recommended a few vets that might be better for exotics but both RSPCA and the rescue says the vets will most likely euthanise. Fuck that shit.
I'll see what the RSPCA officer says when they come but if they say vets will euthanise, then I'm gonna try to look after it myself.
He's still not eating, I can force in some water, how long can a pigeon go without food?
What's your nearest major city op?
He stands but he doesn't eat of drink on his own. I gave him sugar water with a spoon earlier.
Should I dry it with a hair dryer?
nvm I just read you shouldn't
https://www.pigeons.biz/threads/basic-steps-to-saving-the-life-of-a-pigeon-or-dove.8822/
I think the heating advice is mostly for if they're COLD and in a pretty bad state, or juveniles, and the hydration is if they are notably acting badly from being dehydrated. We've never had to heat or majorly hydrate any of the normal healthy adults we've held onto until getting them to a rehabber, but we've never had a really badly injured one either. We did have to provide heat to juveniles who had been lost or abandoned by their parents but usually the advice with a sick but otherwise okay pigeon was paper bag with some water and seed/peas if they'll eat.
I think the main thing is that the bleeding has stopped and he's basically stable. Once it's morning, I guarantee you that pigeon people even from a region you're not from will help advise. They actually care about and love these birds, it's not a job. If somehow you can't get anyone, I will bother someone for you.
Good luck OP hope the bird gets well. Pigeons are great pets apparently
well just wait for the rehab and the vets, but for now just put it on a safespace where it wont be hunted by moron cats
Should I clean the wound or leave it to sleep and rest for now? How often should I check in on it? It's been about three hours since I picked it up, but pigeons are diurnal so I don't want to wake it up unnecessarily.
It is now your pet pigeon. They actually make pretty good pets except for pooping anywhere and everywhere (look up pigeon pants, it's like a diaper you can use when they're roaming freely)
It's hecking cute and valid and I'd love a pet pigeon but wtf do I do about this?
I guess just clean it up and wait for it to heal, if it starts to look infected bring it to a vet. I don't know if they have bird antibiotics..
Do I go wake it up now or wait a few hours till morning? How fast do infections set in for pigeons?
Not a vet or even a bird person, but infection sets quicker in small animals and cat saliva contains bacteria deadly to birds.
Okay I went to check and it looks like it really wanted to sleep. It would stare at me when I first come to visit and then would slowly close its eyes if I don't make any loud noise or movement. It would immediately open them if I did which is reassuring.
Also it looks like it's attempted to eat/drink when I wasn't there because the side of the bag near the water was a bit wet and there's also food in there. Stool is very runny though.
Oops wrong pic. That was after I changed the water, this is the poop water.
They calm down nicely in the dark. They have terrible vision apparently. Whenever we've rescued pigeons, we were told to put them in paper bags overnight, which is a pretty confined space. Usually they adjusted pretty well and they just sleep it off and chill in there, from what I could tell, although I'd still get nervous and check on them periodically.
If he's still up and about and acting normal I'm hoping this means he's fine despite having a shitty run-in with a predator. They do make lovely pets, very smart animals and very chill.. beyond the puberty stage anyway, which is when they go mental begging for a mate so people often get them in pairs (males and females bond for life, two females can, two males is usually bad news).
Can you tell from the pic what sort of injury it is? I haven't tried inspecting or moving its wings yet.
I wouldn't know enough to not be talking out my ass anyway.. But that jutting out wing/feathers, plus the possibility of infection, seem like the biggest reasons getting him seen is a good idea. I'm gonna send some of these pics to people who know what they're doing and I'll keep you updated, hopefully they'll be willing to have a quick phone chat with you for basic interim advice etc.
>hopefully they'll be willing to have a quick phone chat with you for basic interim advice etc.
That would be great.
I gave birdy a warm bath. Looks like broken wing with bones jutting out???
I don't think he's a juvenile so he should be able to thermoregulate if he's in a warm place (and he's indoors so I imagine he is). If you've already dried him off probably just leave him be so he can sleep and heal but check on him. I feel like it's an ambiguous situation, giving him a bath maybe helps or maybe could stress him out more? Or could water disturbing the wound prevent the blood from clotting properly and stopping the bleeding
I wouldn't restrict his movement or do anything to stress him out as long as he's standing on his own and choosing his own adventure so to speak. If he's drinking/eating normally from a (shallow) dish, and not actively bleeding, that's probably a good sign.
idk if it's because he's on the verge of death that he won't react, but he's okay with me petting him.
I imagine thermal regulation's hard when you've got half a limb danging off so I'll get a hot water bottle for him.
Are you swaddling the damaged wing as well? Be careful about that just in case there are fractures or things bent in weird places or exposed tissue.. Can't imagine how painful that must be for him if the towel is applying pressure or touching something exposed.
I have been told that darkness in a safe box is often best. I've had birds freaking out until I just let them be in a box with a towel over it, from what I can tell I think they assume they're at least safe for now when it's dark.
Pigeons have to really trust you and bond with you before you can pet them much, I think he may just be scared and in prey mode.
>I have been told that darkness in a safe box is often best. I've had birds freaking out until I just let them be in a box with a towel over it, from what I can tell I think they assume they're at least safe for now when it's dark.
Those are for less damaged birds... this one is too worn out to try to leave.
This one especially looks pretty bad.. I take back what I said about the blood quill thing, like I said talking out my ass. Hopefully can get you some better advice asap.
Update 2: added a hot water bottle to the far end of the pidgeon hotel.
Update 1. Pidgeon too injured to drink on its own so I fed some electrolyte drink to it. It drank it and perked up a little as much as somebirdy missing a wing would.
What region are you in? Pigeon and bird rehab people are everywhere in the States at least and pretty friendly. Even if you aren't in a region with a nearby rehabber, I recommend just contacting some pigeon rehabbers because they collaborate cross country anyway. Could you get in touch with Chava at @greatlakespigeonrescue and ask her for some advice? If he's been attacked he may be fine and just need time with a safe space and support to recuperate. But he may also need urgent care.
I don't recognize that type.. It could be a juvenile. Does he drink the water on his own? I don't think they eat mealworms, at least I've never been told to feed them those.
Be careful, you can aspirate a bird by force-watering it. This is the kind of thing it's probably better to wait to talk to some pigeon people first about. If you want to prepare in advance to feed him, try to get some frozen peas, and then defrost/heat them (DO NOT MICROWAVE - the inside can be boiling hot while the outside appears lukewarm, you need them evenly room temperature defrosted), and then there's a method where you pop them in one at a time. You get used to it and they're usually pretty chill about it. Also the moisture in the peas helps hydrate them. But I don't think you should do anything until talking to a pro.
It may look worse than it is.. I'm going to google around for what to do - does it seem like he's actively bleeding more and more? Or is it at least stopping?
They do, I've had to crush up antibiotics and give them. A lot of helping sick pigeons involves just giving them antibiotics and support care and a safe space to get better.
That looks like sick poop to me. Usually green and watery means they need antibiotics from what I've been told.
This + the injury being bad enough that it's not just setting and healing is my one fear. Have you tried posting on pigeons.biz? They seem pretty responsive
>What region are you in?
UK. I don't have social media so can't Tweet or DM random people. There is one wildlife hospital that's a solid hour away from me (I don't have a car).
>I don't recognize that type.
It's just a feral city pigeon. They come in this colour often.
>Or is it at least stopping
I think it's stopped. I saw clots forming when I last check in,
>Have you tried posting on pigeons.biz
A kindly Pajeet replied to my thread recommending I apply tumeric paste. Gonna check in injury at sunrise to see what I need to do. I watched a Youtube video of some guy giving his pigeon stitched with just sewing thread, hopefully it won't come to that for me.
I'll phone around but the problem is I start wagie-ing at 9am and also can't drive. So I can only phone places that open at 8am and willing to stay open long enough for me to deliver the bird to them after 6pm.
Also I don't want the bird euthanised, I'd rather experiment with DIY bird surgery than have it put down.
I don't know about turmeric paste, I've had to use a styptic pen to stop bleeding before (always handy to have one AND know how to use it, actually). I do know that pigeon fancy is big in India and obviously they often have to make do with less, but pigeons.biz can be hit and miss with its advice. I think the key is just that he's not actively bleeding out, the bleeding has stopped on its own?
Can you keep checking the thread while wageslaving? I'll contact people for basic advice at very least, and try to keep you updated. Where in the UK are you?
ASSUMING he's stable then I imagine the worst case scenario you're looking at here is keeping him that way until you can get him to someone qualified to go from there. Like, assuming his only problem is that he may need to heal up, then at least all you're really looking at is keeping him in your bathroom and feeding him a bit.
Definitely don't do any DIY shit unless like I said he's actively bleeding out then I guess it'd be necessary to go into maximum overdrive mode just to stop the bleeding.
Also if it raises your hopes, they have this think called blood quill or blood feather where they can bleed a shitload from a wing for a bit and it's basically nothing. Happened to a juvenile I was taking care of and I shit a brick and called like ten people. This may be a more serious version of that, but still basically fine. Is he still dripping red (fresh) blood or anything?
>(DO NOT MICROWAVE - the inside can be boiling hot while the outside appears lukewarm, you need them evenly room temperature defrosted)
>microwaves cook from the inside out durrrrr
Don't listen to this guy OP he's tarded.
Pigeon hotel with seeds and water and a covered area for extra darkness.
I opened the mealworm packet and it was incredibly mouldy. No meal worms for pidge I guess.
Took out the towel to make space for water (added a little sugar and the tiniest bit of sea salt)
I heard it rustling in the bag but idk if it's drinking the water. Do I leave food too?
I have bird seeds and mealworms.
unless there's a wildlife rehab place near you to bring them to, they're fucked.
>Looks like it was attacked by a cat.
got any proof or are you just speculating out of your asshole?
Look at that ripped up wing. I'm a kotfag and I live in a city where the only outdoor wildlife are cats and rats.
It's half 11, there's no 24hr pigeon rehab in the real world buddy. I made some electrolyte water for it and the bag is just sitting in a dark room for now.
Where's the vetfag when I need him?
>there's no 24hr pigeon rehab in the real world buddy.
toss it out of the window then and hope it doesn't hit the ground. it's a fucking pigeon dude
Even the RSPCA says to call back at 8am you absolute wanker.
>it's a fucking pigeon dude
fuck you, asshole
that's a beautiful pigeon
>people wonder why catfags are considered psychopaths
Leave it to catfags to have complete sociopathic disregard for any lifeform (humans included) aside from their furry parasite
>least insane cat schizo
lmao
I found this on the internet
>wildlife rehab
its clearly someones pet you retard
How is it clear? It wasn't ringed.
>got any proof or are you just speculating out of your asshole?
Typical catmoron