mine couldn't even get grey before dying, just 8 yeas, he was just starting to get his first white hairs over his eyes and now he is gone, it is so unfair.
my dog was white with black spots and a black/brown face. when he turned into an adult he lost the brown coloring and when he was in his older years most of his black hairs turned gray, even the random spots.
Kennel clubs should all be destroyed and the leaders forced work as prostitutes in army camps at minimum wage for the rest of their days. I cannot imagine the suffering organizations like akc or breeders have brought upon the world for no reason but vanity.
18 year old pooches having healthy puppies is how a species evolves a longer lifespan. Longer healthy breeding age = slowed effects of aging (less degeneration and decay) = longer lifespan. Their children will inherit good health into their later years. There will be some failures, of course, but what does the AKC care?
These people used to gas puppies for lacking a literal deformity because it was not "continuing the tradition of the breed standard" and continue to encourage people to inbreed dogs over such stupid shit as the shape of the forehead and even penalize peoplefor not making dogs deformed enough
>but what does the AKC care
if your dog dies sooner, you can buy another dog sooner
shorter lifespans = more sales
PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS HAVE A VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST IN REDUCING THE LIFESPANS OF COMPANION AIMALS
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not that calculated. Breeders always select for vigor and fecundity in early life. So does evolution actually, it's just not as good at it. The problem is something called antogonistic pleiotropy. The gist is that early life reproductive success is all that matters so if a gene gives a boost to that at the expense of long term health, that gene is still selected for. It's probably the reason we age at all. The more specialized the breed the more this effect takes place. Which is why bespoke breeds like Borzoi die sooner compared to ancient breeds like the Akita, or your wild dog breeds. Wolves of course, having no human interference, live the longest.
So breeders aren't callously and evilly looking for dogs that die quickly to sell you more dogs. It's just that everyone wants these breeds that are glorious at three years old and run like stallions, so breeders provide them, and the natural consequences of doing so result in your dog going white in the face and sleeping all day at eight. If you want a healthy dog, go find a Carolina dingo.
This doesn't apply to the ones who breed French bulldogs and other fucked up mutants though. Both breeder and client in those cases are perverts and sinners.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
18 year old pooches having healthy puppies is how a species evolves a longer lifespan. Longer healthy breeding age = slowed effects of aging (less degeneration and decay) = longer lifespan. Their children will inherit good health into their later years. There will be some failures, of course, but what does the AKC care?
These people used to gas puppies for lacking a literal deformity because it was not "continuing the tradition of the breed standard" and continue to encourage people to inbreed dogs over such stupid shit as the shape of the forehead and even penalize peoplefor not making dogs deformed enough
>20,000 years of dogs having an average lifespan of around 12 >”wtf how could KKKrapitalism do this????”
How long do you reckon wild wolves live?
>18 year old pooches having healthy puppies is how a species evolves a longer lifespan.
No, this has nothing to do with lifespan. You can't "evolve a longer lifespan" by having offspring late in life. There is zero effect on lifespan of the breed by doing that.
>Longer healthy breeding age = slowed effects of aging (less degeneration and decay) = longer lifespan.
You are conflating coincidence and your imagination with causality.
>Their children will inherit good health into their later years. There will be some failures, of course
Offspring don't inherit anything different from a 2 year old mother than from a 20 year old mother; however, the 20 year old mother will have much more difficulties giving birth at that age, and the offspring are more likely to have developmental or genetic disorders, the older the mother, since eggs do expire.
>These people used to gas puppies for lacking a literal deformity because it was not "continuing the tradition of the breed standard" and continue to encourage people to inbreed dogs over such stupid shit as the shape of the forehead and even penalize peoplefor not making dogs deformed enough
These facts are irrelevant to your very poor understanding of evolution and aging.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
reproducing for the entire lifespan means longer lived animals have more offspring, and those that do remain healthy enough to reproduce, which does in fact create selective pressure for a longer lifespan
there is a very clear reason wolves live TWENTY and dogs live TWELVE. the way dog breeders work is R selection on steroids - the dogs are to function flawlessly for 8 years and then you buy a new one. all they have to do in those 8 years is sire enough ltiters to replace them.
there is a very clear reason wolves have ONE heat cycle a year and dogs have TWO TO FOUR.
breeders. they actively select against lifespan for personal profit.
>For the anon who didn't believe that dogs are greying when getting old
Not all breeds "gray," specifically. Some change color when they are adults and that's it. Some gradually change through their entire lives. Some literally get gray hairs in their fur when they're old.
This doesn't mean what you think it means. They can continue to age after having puppies. What the rule says is no breeding them when they're older than 12.
SPREAD THE WORD
Young dogs are cute, but the stinky old fellas will always have a special place in my heart
My dog at 14 weeks (left) and 14 years (right).
Jesus, worst case I've ever seen
was he a good boy?
Damn, he lost all his colours.
mine couldn't even get grey before dying, just 8 yeas, he was just starting to get his first white hairs over his eyes and now he is gone, it is so unfair.
F
my dog was white with black spots and a black/brown face. when he turned into an adult he lost the brown coloring and when he was in his older years most of his black hairs turned gray, even the random spots.
miss u king.
F
>20
[Portuguese laughing from the distance]
My golden went white in the face at 4, died this November a couple months after turning 12
Yeah 12 seems to be the magic number for them
The AKC's rules caused selective pressure towards dogs that naturally die at 12.
Yes. Really.
RESPONSIBLE
Kennel clubs should all be destroyed and the leaders forced work as prostitutes in army camps at minimum wage for the rest of their days. I cannot imagine the suffering organizations like akc or breeders have brought upon the world for no reason but vanity.
No, that's so that 18 year old pooches don't get laid and have messed up puppies.
18 year old pooches having healthy puppies is how a species evolves a longer lifespan. Longer healthy breeding age = slowed effects of aging (less degeneration and decay) = longer lifespan. Their children will inherit good health into their later years. There will be some failures, of course, but what does the AKC care?
These people used to gas puppies for lacking a literal deformity because it was not "continuing the tradition of the breed standard" and continue to encourage people to inbreed dogs over such stupid shit as the shape of the forehead and even penalize peoplefor not making dogs deformed enough
>but what does the AKC care
if your dog dies sooner, you can buy another dog sooner
shorter lifespans = more sales
PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS HAVE A VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST IN REDUCING THE LIFESPANS OF COMPANION AIMALS
It's not that calculated. Breeders always select for vigor and fecundity in early life. So does evolution actually, it's just not as good at it. The problem is something called antogonistic pleiotropy. The gist is that early life reproductive success is all that matters so if a gene gives a boost to that at the expense of long term health, that gene is still selected for. It's probably the reason we age at all. The more specialized the breed the more this effect takes place. Which is why bespoke breeds like Borzoi die sooner compared to ancient breeds like the Akita, or your wild dog breeds. Wolves of course, having no human interference, live the longest.
So breeders aren't callously and evilly looking for dogs that die quickly to sell you more dogs. It's just that everyone wants these breeds that are glorious at three years old and run like stallions, so breeders provide them, and the natural consequences of doing so result in your dog going white in the face and sleeping all day at eight. If you want a healthy dog, go find a Carolina dingo.
This doesn't apply to the ones who breed French bulldogs and other fucked up mutants though. Both breeder and client in those cases are perverts and sinners.
>20,000 years of dogs having an average lifespan of around 12
>”wtf how could KKKrapitalism do this????”
How long do you reckon wild wolves live?
>18 year old pooches having healthy puppies is how a species evolves a longer lifespan.
No, this has nothing to do with lifespan. You can't "evolve a longer lifespan" by having offspring late in life. There is zero effect on lifespan of the breed by doing that.
>Longer healthy breeding age = slowed effects of aging (less degeneration and decay) = longer lifespan.
You are conflating coincidence and your imagination with causality.
>Their children will inherit good health into their later years. There will be some failures, of course
Offspring don't inherit anything different from a 2 year old mother than from a 20 year old mother; however, the 20 year old mother will have much more difficulties giving birth at that age, and the offspring are more likely to have developmental or genetic disorders, the older the mother, since eggs do expire.
>These people used to gas puppies for lacking a literal deformity because it was not "continuing the tradition of the breed standard" and continue to encourage people to inbreed dogs over such stupid shit as the shape of the forehead and even penalize peoplefor not making dogs deformed enough
These facts are irrelevant to your very poor understanding of evolution and aging.
reproducing for the entire lifespan means longer lived animals have more offspring, and those that do remain healthy enough to reproduce, which does in fact create selective pressure for a longer lifespan
there is a very clear reason wolves live TWENTY and dogs live TWELVE. the way dog breeders work is R selection on steroids - the dogs are to function flawlessly for 8 years and then you buy a new one. all they have to do in those 8 years is sire enough ltiters to replace them.
there is a very clear reason wolves have ONE heat cycle a year and dogs have TWO TO FOUR.
breeders. they actively select against lifespan for personal profit.
kill your local dog breeder.
t. dog
why cant you read your own image. that says not to breed old dogs. not to kill dogs when they turn 12.
>For the anon who didn't believe that dogs are greying when getting old
Not all breeds "gray," specifically. Some change color when they are adults and that's it. Some gradually change through their entire lives. Some literally get gray hairs in their fur when they're old.
This doesn't mean what you think it means. They can continue to age after having puppies. What the rule says is no breeding them when they're older than 12.
why do dogs have to get old and feeble bros
it's not fucking fair
We all get old and feeble eventually, anon. Someday, I’ll be old and feeble, and someday it’ll be the same for you. It’s sad, but it happens.
speak for yourself anon. i'm gonna be young forever.
well who is laughing now, huh?
damn that one the right is old as shit
xD
Holy fuck 20. Good old boy.