Farming is terrible for soil. Vegans are big peepeepoopoo heads. Eat the byproduct of flora and fauna

Farming is terrible for soil. Vegans are big peepeepoopoo heads. Eat the byproduct of flora and fauna

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    FOOD FOREST

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Did the jannies really miss this one or are they keeping it up to mock him

    [...]

    Minimizing suffering is still as evil as causing it retard. "I only murder one person a day, I am minimizing suffering" they say unaware that 0 is a clear and present option

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's one of those 'he's hopping IP addresses so let's leave it up till another mod applies a rangeban'.
      Or maybe the report queue was wiped, I've seen the /j/ leaks I know they can do that.
      So yeah furry porn from a ban evader still up after 1.5 hours, great job janny.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >dogfucker: *refutes all of morality but still wants their heckin pupper spared*
    All you have to do is nuke china and have the fallout blow over the rest of asia. The entire civilized world has rejected dog meat because it's simply disgusting and disturbing, just like your bestiality fetish. There is no need for morals past this.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >its another the radical left and the radical right come together to shit on vegans episode
    imagine being so embarrassingly dumb that progressives reaching for space colonization and return to viking regressives both think you're a retard lmao

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you eat from traditional western agricultural sources you can't claim to be vegan lol
    >habitat destruction
    >animals killed to make room for the farm
    >animals killed to keep them off the farm
    >human labor exploited and abused to maintain and harvest from the farm
    The only vegan way to farm is to farm vertically in areas that have already been destroyed too badly to be reclaimed in your lifetime, so farming in them actually creates new habitat for life.

    Unfortunately this means you're going to have to eat bugs to avoid starving and cut the bullshit and accept that an animal with a simple enough nervous system for a computer to simulate isn't conscious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >human labor exploited and abused to maintain and harvest from the farm

      It's the same for slaughterhouse workers as well.

      Unless you're a leftist, farmers aren't exploited. What do you want to do anyway? Not pay them and let them go out of business?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're assuming the rich west when you say farmers aren't exploited. A lot of farm workers are exploited especially when you need shit grown in mexico to avoid needing meat during the winter.

        Slaughterhouse workers in nice slaughterhouses aren't exploited. Sometimes they are.

        This human exploitation isn't inherent to either diet but vegans make a point of totally ignoring it even though it's identical to their argument against eating an unfertilized egg, humanely acquired dairy, or meat at all (even though they could just eat animals that died naturally).
        >IT CAN INVOLVE AND OFTEN INVOLVES EXPLOITATION! BY EATING IT, YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT OF EXPLOITATION!
        Ultimately veganism is about being seen being "moral" rather than actual moral choices. Because they wouldn't be caught dead eating an egg because it's possible the egg was acquired cruelly and it's possible an egg could be fertilized, EVEN IF THEY KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS NOT, they logically should not be caught dead eating a tomato because so many tomatoes are acquired cruelly...just like so many eggs are...

        it is more in line with vegan ethics to only eat from your own garden and approved, exploitation/destruction free gardens and totally vegan to eat an animal that expired naturally. But you see, again, vegans don't have a moral position. They are in a social virtue contest. The highest achievement of a vegan is telling other people they are vegan.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Slaughterhouse workers in nice slaughterhouses aren't exploited. Sometimes they are.

          Strange how it's a case-to-case basis for slaughterhouse workers, but not one for farmers.

          Also, you still haven't answered what do you want to do about it. Not support their business so they'll be out of a job?

          The rest is just schizo nonsense.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I literally, LITERALLY FUCKING SAID, It is a CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR BOTH

            YOU SIMPLY CAN'T CLAIM YOU CARE ABOUT SUFFERING IF YOU DON'T MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SUPPORT AN EXPLOITAIVE BUSINESS

            >actual morals are schizo nonsense
            Let me tell you this again
            EATING AN EGG IS MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO EATING A BELL PEPPER

            IT COULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED WITH SUFFERING
            OR IT COULD NOT

            IF YOU CARE ABOUT SUFFERING THEY ARE EQUIVALENT AND IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO CARE ABOUT WHERE YOUR FOOD CAME FROM THAN WHAT IT IS MADE OF

            YOU CAN EVEN EAT MEAT WITHOUT CAUSING SUFFERING.

            BUT VEGANS DO NOT FUCKING THINK. THEY SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE "FARM WORKERS AREN'T EXPLOITED". YOU, ALMOST ENTIRELY WHITE VIRTUE SIGNALING FUCKTARDS ARE THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON EARTH. I FUCKING HATE WHITE PEOPLE.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              stop yelling

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                SORRY DOES THIS OFFEND YOUR EUROPEAN SENSIBILITIES? WHITE PEOPLE ARE TOO QUIET IF YOU ASK ME.

                STOP CLAIMING TO CARE ABOUT ANIMAL SUFFERING WHILE SUPPORTING AGRICULTURAL BUSINESSES THAT PERPETUATE BOTH HUMAN AND ANIMAL SUFFERING.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >SORRY DOES THIS OFFEND YOUR EUROPEAN SENSIBILITIES? WHITE PEOPLE ARE TOO QUIET IF YOU ASK ME.

                God, you're insufferable. Even poltards are more tolerable.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Angry anon is angry but he is yelling Facts. Western vegans are basically braindead hypocrites with twisted morals and worldviews.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yelling Facts

                Go back.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I literally, LITERALLY FUCKING SAID, It is a CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR BOTH

              Okay, so let's just assume your schizo argument is actually true.

              Only Farmers > Slaughterhouse Workers & Farmers.

              Also, stop yelling, virtue signaling and pretending to be non-white on Wauf you gay.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >YOU CAN EVEN EAT MEAT WITHOUT CAUSING SUFFERING.

              Usually vegans are focused on the death part, not the suffering.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you eat from traditional western agricultural sources
      Noble savage myth
      >habitat destruction
      >animals killed to make room for the farm
      This is more of the case for a diet that also includes farmed animals, since they eat crops as well.
      >animals killed to keep them off the farm
      How is protecting your crops wrong?
      >human labor exploited and abused to maintain and harvest from the farm
      Virtue signaling. Farmers aren't exploited and if they were, slaughterhouse workers would technically count as being exploited to.
      >Unfortunately this means you're going to have to eat bugs
      Hell no. Don't believe that "eating bugs" will prevent climate change myth, producers often feed them crops as well.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Noble savage myth
        No, western agriculture was forced on the whole world. Who do you think owns the plantations the former savages work on?
        >This is more of the case for a diet that also includes farmed animals, since they eat crops as well.
        Crops must consume land. Animals can consume literal shit. Ultimately, animals add efficiency where crops fall short. You can't derive any nutritional value from the stems and leaves of a pepper plant. Animal and fungal life can, immediately
        >How is protecting your crops wrong?
        How can you say you're vegan when you murder animals for eating a small amount of your crops? You need to eat from a vegan farm that repels them humanely to say you are vegan.
        >Virtue signaling. Farmers aren't exploited and if they were, slaughterhouse workers would technically count as being exploited too
        YES, FARM WORKERS ARE EXPLOITED, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. ALL OVER THE WORLD. ESPECIALLY IN LATIN AMERICA. EVEN IN NORTH AMERICA. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE IN LATIN AMERICA HAVE BEEN MURDERED FOR DEMANDING BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS AND PAY. WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE SO FUCKING IGNORANT OH MY FUCKING GOD.
        https://nfwm.org/farm-workers/farm-worker-issues/modern-day-slavery/
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/25/us-farms-made-200m-human-smuggling-labor-trafficking-operation
        But it's not INNATE to either food source - however, to claim to care about suffering, you have to avoid anything that could have been produced with suffering and eating random agricultural products is like eating random eggs. They could be infertile eggs picked up off the ground where free ranging chickens have the run of the woods. They could be from a factory. Do you or do you not truly care about suffering?
        >Hell no. Don't believe that "eating bugs" will prevent climate change myth, producers often feed them crops as well
        They don't HAVE TO BE fed crops. You can raise bugs off LITERAL SHIT, and the byproducts of the crops that humans don't eat and would just be waste

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No, western agriculture was forced on the whole world. Who do you think owns the plantations the former savages work on?
          Still noble savage myth. Am I speaking to a leftist right now?

          >Animals can consume literal shit.
          I don't know if that's actually true, but they're often fed crops.

          >How can you say you're vegan when you murder animals for eating a small amount of your crops? You need to eat from a vegan farm that repels them humanely to say you are vegan.
          You don't know what vegan means lol.

          >YES, FARM WORKERS ARE EXPLOITED, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE SO FUCKING IGNORANT
          No need to yell, you schizo. I guess I was right; I'm speaking to a leftist, and chances are you're white yourself. You're still virtue signaling. What do you what to do about it? Not support their business? Meat eaters buy plants as well.

          >They don't HAVE TO BE fed crops
          Still, they often are.

          I'm getting bored. This conversation is stupid.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, you are stupid. It's not a noble savage myth. Large scale farming is a western and east asian thing and highly destructive.

            "Bugs are often fed crops" but unlike pigs, do not have to be fed crops. They can eat crop byproducts. This isn't up for debate, it's a fact. You can grow a tomato plant and eat the tomatoes, but you can't eat the tomato plant. You can grind it up and feed it to bugs and derive more nutrient from it.
            >you don't know what vegan means
            If the most basic tenet of being vegan is to eliminate animal suffering, then a vegan has a moral duty not to patronize anything that causes animal suffering. Including humans, because humans are animals. A vegan has a moral duty to acquire and produce every last calorie with 0 suffering on the part of the animal kingdom. Not up for debate. It's their own moral that they themselves repeat incessantly.
            >Bugs often are fed crops
            Plants often are produced by a system that causes human and animal suffering. Therefore eating plants is not vegan. This is how vitamin B12 deficient brains think. But they don't say that because vegans aren't worried about suffering, it's just that not eating cute animals makes them look like kinder people. That's what they actually care about.

            >YOU CAN EVEN EAT MEAT WITHOUT CAUSING SUFFERING.

            Usually vegans are focused on the death part, not the suffering.

            No. Vegans are absolutely focused on the suffering. It's why they won't eat eggs. Because they "can be and often are" produced with suffering. But plants can be and often are produced with suffering. Stop eating wheat?

            >I literally, LITERALLY FUCKING SAID, It is a CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR BOTH

            Okay, so let's just assume your schizo argument is actually true.

            Only Farmers > Slaughterhouse Workers & Farmers.

            Also, stop yelling, virtue signaling and pretending to be non-white on Wauf you gay.

            If you say suffering is evil but compromise and only cause less suffering for convenience you are still evil. It's like saying "i'm a good person. I only murder one child a week."

            You're a twisted hypocrite whose only actual moral is "I ought to appear morally superior to absolute retards"

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Face it, you've not made one good point; you're either a retarded schizo or you're trolling (probably the latter). No point in responding anymore.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the dying cries of a woman (male) that just got totally fucking wrecked on their own terms

                suffering is wrong therefore you shall not cause or support suffering, including human suffering, at all, or you are doing something wrong. if you believe suffering is wrong you have a moral duty to ensure not one morsel of food you consume was produced with suffering. you can only eat from farms that treat their workers well and keep animals away with non-fatal methods instead of poisons, traps, and gun. you can eat eggs but only if they were never alive and the chickens had free run of the woods. you can eat dairy but only if the mother and calf are living naturally and she just has more milk than the calf needs. you can even, theoretically, eat an animal if they lived a happy life and expired naturally. do they not go into the earth and become soil for plants? they are gone, and consumed either way.

                if at any point you support an exploitative process like factory farming, slave labor, or auxiliary animal murder to protect crops, you cease to be a vegan and become a hypocrite. "i only kill one animal a day. i'm a good person."

                now if you hold that if something often is produced with suffering it should always be treated as if it were, you run out of things to eat, because everything that can be done can be done wrong and is done wrong because wrong is often cheaper and easier. thankfully that position is a logical fallacy so you can avoid starvation for now.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Farming is terrible for soil
    Only if you don't cycle crops. But most farms that run monocrop put fertilizer and round up on the soil to avoid the consequences so they can harvest soi every year. Round up on the other hand, is really bad for people.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plants don't have a nervous system and therefore can't feel pain.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no moral reason to care if something feels pain or not if the results of feeling pain are not relevant to your selfish goals.
      >but...selfish! bad!
      If you do not believe in a god or gods who have given you a moral command to care about others there is no valid moral you can hold that commands you to care about others unless it also benefits yourself. Tell me which holy book you follow, or accept the hard godless truth.
      It sounds psychopathic but you are still obligated to be kind to your fellow man (unless they are a serious threat to you/other fellow man). Humans are so adaptable and useful that they are the most valuable resource.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I guess you're some kind of schizo who mourns every time you step on a plant or criticizes people for not caring about "plant abuse" when they focus on victims of violent crime.

        Or maybe you're just trolling.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          he literally said he doesn't care if anything suffers if it doesn't affect him. he's that guy who thinks the only reason livestock should be treated well is so they're easier to slaughter and yield higher quality meat.

          the carnist and vegan endgames are the same because suffering is struggling and whether it's inconvenient or spiritually offensive neither group relishes in it. struggling creates inefficiency. maximally fit life abhors inefficiency. vegans end the struggling of their prey by getting rid of all thinking life other than themselves and only eat plants in a vast wasteland where there is not a single animal other than man. plants don't resist. carnists end the struggling by turning animals into plants and keeping everything in sterile cubes where animals other than man don't enter. whether they're going to be farming bugs or vat meat, or something more interesting.

          however, animal based life is important to the human diet and serves a function similar to cooking. it renders tougher foods more edible and easier to digest. plants can claim nutrients from the air and soil but we need the other two kingdoms - animals and fungus - to maximize nutrient consolidation and amino acid production. carnists already have this, but the "meat plant" in its current iteration (domesticated edible livestock) struggles too much to be maximally convenient and efficient. the next logical step for vegans is to create plants with the diet and nutritional content of an animal. possibly a modified fungus.

          either way you're all headed in the same direction, but i think carnists will win, because bug farming gets them so close they're nearly there, lightyears ahead of the vegan need for their own "meat plant", and it's easier to devolve an animal that it is to evolve a plant.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That freshly lawned grass? That’s grass screaming in pain

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It has been proven, objectively, that sustainable mixed use agriculture is more efficient and results in less animal suffering/habitat destruction than being vegan alone. Especially when you consider that most vegans rely on imports of foreign and out of season foods in addition to industrially produced supplements to avoid dying.

    A self renewing agricultural system where as many byproducts as possible are recycled back into the soil with what is not expedient to be reused feeding bugs, fish, and laying hens is ideal. Beef, pork, goat, sheep, and horse eaters are retards. Vegans are also retards. I also find vegans and red meat eaters attach a lot of vaguely spiritual/moral BS to their diet
    >ITS MAGIC MEAT THAT MAKES ME A REAL MAN, MMM DOG SOUP, I MEAN, BACON. MAKE ME WARRIOR SPIRIT STRONG.
    >IM A GOOD PERSON FOR SPIRITUAL SOUNDING REASONS DESPITE BEING AN ATHEIST IT JUST IS OK. I'M IMPROVING MY KARMA.

    But.... self-renewing agriculture reveals an unfortunate fact. Humans are not very intelligent, and there are too many of them for them to live happy and fulfilling lives. They are like cattle in a feedlot. But who's harvesting the beef?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/hSEpW64.jpg

      Farming is terrible for soil. Vegans are big peepeepoopoo heads. Eat the byproduct of flora and fauna

      Both of you are retarded.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    read a science

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