TIL garbage feeding is a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbF45-ZB5M There's no fucking way they are able to remove all the plastic before it goes in the shredder. In theory I'm not opposed to recycling moldy food since that's not a problem for pigs but the amoung of plastic you see just in a few seconds' video is insane. And all that plastic ends up in the system of the apex predator, us. I'll have to check if my country allows for this practice ASAP.
OP's image is of a chinese farm, I saw a few images allegedly of the inside but won't post them because it's definitely considered animal cruelty.
Reminder that the chinese invented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil
China is not communism like they want to believe you. It's capitalism. They should look at their neighbors in Korea: No Alibaba, no chingchong markets, no chinese ebayers. Oh, and no factory farming.
North Korea has food security issues for decades and makes horrible use of its agriculture, not to mention it is at least partially dependent on international food gibs to survive and allocates the "luxury" resources that you'd find on a normal grocery store shelf to party officials. China may be a shit country, but the people there haven't had to worry about a famine since the 1970s.
Filter chinese posters, because certian keywords will ban them from accessing, I'm not sure if it works or not, but the internet there is heavily censored, but I imagine anyone on the chans can get around that
In china you can be executed for reading even one of those phrases on the internet.
The idea is even chinese shills would be afraid to open a thread containing all those banned phrases and would leave us alone.
not sure if it works or not, Wauf seems to have a plethora of chinese and russian shills despite the strongly anti-china posts. But who knows?
I do know I've posted a lot of criticism of china and russia on Wauf and gotten a shitload of suHispanicious friend requests on facebook from chinese and russian nationals afterwards. No reason to think they don't watch what gets posted here. Probably try to dox the people posting and do whatever foreign spies do to critics of their country.
In china you can be executed for reading even one of those phrases on the internet.
The idea is even chinese shills would be afraid to open a thread containing all those banned phrases and would leave us alone.
not sure if it works or not, Wauf seems to have a plethora of chinese and russian shills despite the strongly anti-china posts. But who knows?
I do know I've posted a lot of criticism of china and russia on Wauf and gotten a shitload of suHispanicious friend requests on facebook from chinese and russian nationals afterwards. No reason to think they don't watch what gets posted here. Probably try to dox the people posting and do whatever foreign spies do to critics of their country.
Retards believe memes on the internet and unironically believe that does anything even though like half of China uses vpns, the punishment for bad-mouthing the government online at best is like a fine and the real biggest filter that prevents more chinks being on the western internet is culture and language barrier.
>have to feed 1/5 of the worlds population >NOOOO THINK OF THE HECKING PIGGARINOS!!!!!!
Factory farming is literally the only way to sustain the future. If you want to vegan out and do your thing that good for you, however the world needs that meat.
Animals (and by proxy humans) are nothing but sustenance. I would gladly turn that bloc into a human processing facility if it meant that able bodied and minded individuals can get their daily needs fed.
>Factory farming is literally the only way to sustain the future
Its honestly the normal in most of the world which I always come across doing farming another way, but it depends on the climate etc. You didn't get your animals in a barn when it was cold you motherfucker? Must be a horribile person. You mean you leave them outside all the time? You cant win with these retards, when it comes down to it though, 3 times a day most of the population needs someone who makes food and you could maybe take a look at who makes it most efficiently and there are people moving in on that who want to make your food chemically in a steel vat, and they will leverage veganism to get there, and plant the other guys land in trees to offset their coal burning and jet trips
If you want to process humans that is more disgusting than most I have seen which is saying something
What happens with the waste?
I've seen pig factories half the size of a single floor producing gigantic pools of waste that needs to be sprayed into the air, how tf do you even manage all of that
factory farming is almost entirely fueled by subsidized grain. human grade livestock feed. there would be MORE food without it, only meat would be so expensive that poorfags wouldn't be able to eat a nutritionally complete diet without every retard having a half dozen laying hens living on their apartment balcony. people without anything resembling extra space or living in places with strict no animals policies, 99% of them too poor to afford enough very expensive meat, would be fucked into going borderline broke on supplements that don't entirely work. however they would not starve, they would just be slightly weaker and dumber.
this would result in the oppressed lower classes proliferating as well as ever, but being ever so slightly inferior from a meatless diet stunting their development and brain function
Livestock is only producing more food if kept on areas where the ground can't be used to grow good crops. Animals use up calories while living, if those calories come from corn or fat gras grown on soil that could have used to gow corn we sacrifice potential energy.
Not even starting on water.
Lmao new zealand farms enough food for about 50 million people. Oh noe the news said no egg in the supermarket when the guys farming them inside had to kick them outside. Meanwhile ate a curry egg sandwich for lunch. We would have food literally coming out our ears if not exporting it, but be a lot poorer instead. People used to feed whitebait to their chooks.
Why should I believe the New York Times telling anything about one random building in my country?
Go ahead, post pictures from inside.
Ah, you can't. What a surprise.
What's the big deal? The pigs born in there don't know they're in a high rise, they don't know that there's a world beyond their pen and most importantly they don't know that they're going to be killed and eaten. All they know is they have infinite food and total comfort & safety. It's the pig version of living in ze pod and being happy.
The problem is that people can whine about it and an animal suffers at some point so another animal can eat. It's midwit shit that's devoid of the understanding of what nature is truly like.
Sure, if the pigs have everything to fulfill their basic needs like betting, toys and enough space so they aren't chronically stressed out and injure each other it's fine. Really only depends on the quality of their den.
Nah, we should improve upon existing designs, get more reliable sources of power like fusion and upscale not just factory farming of animals but also of crops in aquaponic/hydroponic systems. If you want nature to prosper then that's how you satisfy the needs of people and make more land available for nature to reclaim. Farmers can't compete with large industries of scale.
No. Feeding livestock anything fit for human consumption should be illegal, and we should be working on viable livestock that’s unable to think or feel pain.
If "feel pain" is your criteria for being unethical to eat, I have sad news about vegetables and fruits.
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/secret-language-of-plants/
They not only communicate, they feel pain.
All living beings distinguish good from bad in some way. There are even videos of white ells chasing around bacteria which are aware that they are being chased and swim away like their life depends on it (bc it does).
If you as a living organism don't have a way to analyze your environment to engage with good stuff and avoid bad stuff you will stop existing as a species. Using "pain" is just a anthropocentric way of judging nature. Of course only animals get our sympathy and not even all of them. But unicelular beings, plants and fungi also suffer in their own ways. This is why exclution diets based on morality are just silly to me. Suffering is just as valid and part of life as pleasure. There is no need to torture animals but avoiding causing them ANY harm is just stupid. Eat meat, eat fish, eat vegetables and eat fungi. You should only pretend to be vegan to impress the cute uni chick you want to fuck a couple times then ditch her for being a malnourished idiot, although they always drop the vegan shit once you date them for a bit, it happened to me.
The bacteria aren't aware they're being chased. The ones that survive more often mechanically move away from dangerous chemicals, like those produced by the immune system.
is dirt afraid of soap if a bubble causes it to wash away? Your empathy circuits are malfunctioning, ape.
>bacteria reacts to chemical signal that warns it there is a threat nearby and swims away >this is not being aware
Shake off your anthropocentric understanding of life. The bacteria is aware that they are being chased and thus runs away.
I am not using empathy to determine a bacteria is aware of danger and actively avoids it. I'm just stating the obvious.
We should be breeding animals to have complete awareness of there own impeding demise and have 10 times the nociceptor density as they do now, and also attach devices to them that periodically kicks them in the nuts.
Factory farming can easily be solved by reducing the popluation of people.
just raise the animals right and kill them in the least scary and painful way possible. factory farming is suffering for the whole animal's life, and the meat is shitty quality, and it can lead to diseases more than smaller operations can
>just raise the animals right and kill them in the least scary and painful way possible. factory farming is suffering for the whole animal's life, and the meat is shitty quality, and it can lead to diseases more than smaller operations can
Only real solution. Humans need meat to survive, but there is no reason to make animals suffer. Besides free-range meat not only tastes better, but is better for you.
Game is not that expensive because most people eat factory farmed meat instead, if that supply dropped, game would be way more expensive.
It used to be normal only to have meat a few times a week, maybe only on sunday and there were way fewer people back then. What changed? Factory farming.
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IQ and height also increased considerably, almost like the agricultural revolution never happened.
High quality diets are pretty important when your entire body is designed assuming you're going to be eating about a fish a day
half an elk can feed me and my girlfriend for half a year and I probably eat like you in terms of quantity.
The problem is wasteful consoomerism and excess production.
Nah, we should improve upon existing designs, get more reliable sources of power like fusion and upscale not just factory farming of animals but also of crops in aquaponic/hydroponic systems. If you want nature to prosper then that's how you satisfy the needs of people and make more land available for nature to reclaim. Farmers can't compete with large industries of scale.
We should breed a transgenic caste of herbivore humans into vore, masochism and humiliation who are very efficient at converting nutrients into meat. This way we get a meat source who desire, enjoy, can and will consent into being eaten.
A meat plant would be fucking amazing but would take a massive amount of editing work even with crispr. Animal and plant cells are pretty different.
An "animal" which has no brain and constantly generates fat and muscle tissue for harvesting would be less difficult.
I would make an animal that is a huge meaty parasite hanging from trees, this way you get a tree that produces meat fruits. The problem is that then you need to raise it in a protected environment because there is no way wildlife will not want to eat a juicy animal that doesn't defend itself. Maybe we could make one animal that lives inside the plant? This way we cut the plant and harvest the animal instead and the plant will be the one protecting the animal. I think a cool idea would be an animal that is deeply connected to the plant so the animal will take water and sugars from the plant, get some supplements from the farmer but instead of producing urine it will return nitrogen and phosphorous waste to the plant aiding in the plant nutrition.
There's already synthetic, lab grown meat, it's just incredibly expensive and people in general are leery of it. Look up Future Meat Technologies and Memphis Meats. Ten years ago, it took $1.2m to grown one pound of ground beef and two years ago the cost had fallen to about $150 per pound.
It's not exactly vegan though, the meat is taken from cells of animals and cultured to grow on its own without a host body. It technically eliminates the concept of suffering from the animal because it's essentially a mass of tissue without a central nervous system or a brain, but that doesn't entirely eliminate the objections people may have.
the objections the moralizing proles have are nonsensical. god willing they will be too hungry to have a choice before it becomes an option and they will finally shut up.
Well I mean I'll still be raising my own chickens, catching my own fish, and hunting my own deer until I finally die, but if the earth's population keeps going up meat is going to become incredibly expensive without a revolution in how it's generated. That being said, I'm banking on mass depopulation to hit first because people won't try to solve the supply problem until after problems start, and by then people will have already been pushed past the brink and start lining up to kill each other.
As the population grows, there will be calls for population control that will be ignored until the threats are made at the barrel of a gun, then riots will ensue, and then people will die. Perhaps some first world nations will shut their borders before then and try to keep things at an equilibrium, but ultimately it's going to be a losing battle without some truly draconian actions being taken.
Not really, best you can do is keep them in a live well until you decapitate them. I don't worry too much though, they go from having a normal life to getting yanked out of the water and dead within a span of a few minutes. It's not like their entire life is suffering, only the very end.
That's circuitous, Anon. It doesn't make sense to pursue an exotic solution like that when there are already so many edible plants. Just eat the plants we have.
If "feel pain" is your criteria for being unethical to eat, I have sad news about vegetables and fruits.
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/secret-language-of-plants/
They not only communicate, they feel pain.
Too long, didn't read but harvesting and eating fruits shouldn't cause any pain to the plant. Fruits are meant to be detached eventually. It probably feels nice to have them all plucked off after being laden all season.
What's the big deal? The pigs born in there don't know they're in a high rise, they don't know that there's a world beyond their pen and most importantly they don't know that they're going to be killed and eaten. All they know is they have infinite food and total comfort & safety. It's the pig version of living in ze pod and being happy.
>The pigs born in there don't know they're in a high rise, they don't know that there's a world beyond their pen and most importantly they don't know that they're going to be killed and eaten
:'(
The problem is that people can whine about it and an animal suffers at some point so another animal can eat. It's midwit shit that's devoid of the understanding of what nature is truly like.
>what nature is truly like
Factory farming isn't what nature is truly like. Inb4 someone tries to compare this to a SYMBIOTIC relationship in the wild
>That's circuitous, Anon. It doesn't make sense to pursue an exotic solution like that when there are already so many edible plants. Just eat the plants we have.
We need at least some meat to live. We need animal products to replace a lot of petroleum products. We need animal products because they can be grown much easier than chemicals can be synthesized and they already contain an advanced chemical production line that turns literal sewage into textiles, food, and polymers.
The only thing that could possibly do it better is fungi and algae engineered for the process but processing animals is simpler and can be done more sustainably, with less technology, less electricity, more decentralization, less trucks on the road, and definitely less of those shitty fucking rolling hunks of rare earth metals they want to replace the existing trucks with. Remember the ultimate moral and environmentalist goal is MAJOR DEPOPULATION (ELIMINATION OF OVER 70% OF THE HUMAN RACE) and high tech solution cease being viable without a ponzi economy and globe-spanning supply chains to support them.
trying to eat nothing but plants is an exotic and circuitous solution
most vegans rely on heavily processed foods, supplements, and exotic imports just to avoid malnutrition before cucking out and eating a free range egg, and maybe some fish, in an admission that "feels pain" usually refers to the level of consciousness demonstrated by a simple robot that avoids impacts.
>that's where americans reincarnate after they die
Whereas we europoors already live there from the beginning?
No. Feeding livestock anything fit for human consumption should be illegal, and we should be working on viable livestock that’s unable to think or feel pain.
Like a meat plant that grows from dirt.
>Like a meat plant that grows from dirt.
you know fullw ell if I were to make such a thing, the vegan-progressive-f4f types would oppose it, would burn our HQ and terrorize those willing to eat it.
>we're a warmongering giant third world country
You say this but you are the only country with a safe future. China is absolutely fucked. Japan, South Korea as well. Europe soon too.
china's elite's desire to be 1984 meets NSDAP meets USSR meets starhip troopers is fucked in the long term and government enforced anti-western contrarianism is having less and less of an effect on the capitalists that are taking over their country and following the same cultural evolutionary path as the industrializing west. there is only one best solution to every problem and china is not a developed nation. it is a developing one and every single one comes to the same conclusions.
TIL garbage feeding is a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbF45-ZB5M There's no fucking way they are able to remove all the plastic before it goes in the shredder. In theory I'm not opposed to recycling moldy food since that's not a problem for pigs but the amoung of plastic you see just in a few seconds' video is insane. And all that plastic ends up in the system of the apex predator, us. I'll have to check if my country allows for this practice ASAP.
true that sister, we need to go back hunt something till it extinct
Grim, but if the whole processes, input output are clean(the meat, wastes) i don't really mind tbh
OP's image is of a chinese farm, I saw a few images allegedly of the inside but won't post them because it's definitely considered animal cruelty.
Reminder that the chinese invented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil
Who cares
>capitalism and fascism are soulless and dont care about animal welfare, we should all become communi- ACK
China is not communism like they want to believe you. It's capitalism. They should look at their neighbors in Korea: No Alibaba, no chingchong markets, no chinese ebayers. Oh, and no factory farming.
North Korea has food security issues for decades and makes horrible use of its agriculture, not to mention it is at least partially dependent on international food gibs to survive and allocates the "luxury" resources that you'd find on a normal grocery store shelf to party officials. China may be a shit country, but the people there haven't had to worry about a famine since the 1970s.
What's the purpose of these posts?
Filter chinese posters, because certian keywords will ban them from accessing, I'm not sure if it works or not, but the internet there is heavily censored, but I imagine anyone on the chans can get around that
Thanks. I figured it was either to get threads auto-filtered by the great firewall or trigger CCP shills.
It's a myth, it does nothing
fuck off 共匪
In china you can be executed for reading even one of those phrases on the internet.
The idea is even chinese shills would be afraid to open a thread containing all those banned phrases and would leave us alone.
not sure if it works or not, Wauf seems to have a plethora of chinese and russian shills despite the strongly anti-china posts. But who knows?
I do know I've posted a lot of criticism of china and russia on Wauf and gotten a shitload of suHispanicious friend requests on facebook from chinese and russian nationals afterwards. No reason to think they don't watch what gets posted here. Probably try to dox the people posting and do whatever foreign spies do to critics of their country.
>In china you can be executed for reading even one of those phrases on the internet.
Reddit tier response.
Retards believe memes on the internet and unironically believe that does anything even though like half of China uses vpns, the punishment for bad-mouthing the government online at best is like a fine and the real biggest filter that prevents more chinks being on the western internet is culture and language barrier.
>have to feed 1/5 of the worlds population
>NOOOO THINK OF THE HECKING PIGGARINOS!!!!!!
Factory farming is literally the only way to sustain the future. If you want to vegan out and do your thing that good for you, however the world needs that meat.
Animals (and by proxy humans) are nothing but sustenance. I would gladly turn that bloc into a human processing facility if it meant that able bodied and minded individuals can get their daily needs fed.
>Factory farming is literally the only way to sustain the future
Its honestly the normal in most of the world which I always come across doing farming another way, but it depends on the climate etc. You didn't get your animals in a barn when it was cold you motherfucker? Must be a horribile person. You mean you leave them outside all the time? You cant win with these retards, when it comes down to it though, 3 times a day most of the population needs someone who makes food and you could maybe take a look at who makes it most efficiently and there are people moving in on that who want to make your food chemically in a steel vat, and they will leverage veganism to get there, and plant the other guys land in trees to offset their coal burning and jet trips
If you want to process humans that is more disgusting than most I have seen which is saying something
>China
Well there's your first problem
>china
>bad
This, I hope and pray western globohomo is vanquished from this earth and the revolution can grow.
>tfw no xi buxx
>my slavemaster is better that your slavemaster
So that leaves you cast out into irrelevancy, screaming your outrage to the rest of the world, who doesn't give a shit. Soldier on.
we wouldn't need to kill as many animals if we killed thousands of minorities instead.
>cattlelac
What happens with the waste?
I've seen pig factories half the size of a single floor producing gigantic pools of waste that needs to be sprayed into the air, how tf do you even manage all of that
Fed to uighurs in their concentration camps
Sewage?
to where?
Knowing china, right into the nearest river
Sell it to India.
Sure, but don't bitch when the price of meat skyrockets
without factory farming theres not enough food for everyone and it gets too pricey for 80% of people, look up the egg chaos going on in new zealand
ironically its the opposite
factory farming is almost entirely fueled by subsidized grain. human grade livestock feed. there would be MORE food without it, only meat would be so expensive that poorfags wouldn't be able to eat a nutritionally complete diet without every retard having a half dozen laying hens living on their apartment balcony. people without anything resembling extra space or living in places with strict no animals policies, 99% of them too poor to afford enough very expensive meat, would be fucked into going borderline broke on supplements that don't entirely work. however they would not starve, they would just be slightly weaker and dumber.
this would result in the oppressed lower classes proliferating as well as ever, but being ever so slightly inferior from a meatless diet stunting their development and brain function
>there would be more food without it
You are literally retarded
Livestock is only producing more food if kept on areas where the ground can't be used to grow good crops. Animals use up calories while living, if those calories come from corn or fat gras grown on soil that could have used to gow corn we sacrifice potential energy.
Not even starting on water.
Lmao new zealand farms enough food for about 50 million people. Oh noe the news said no egg in the supermarket when the guys farming them inside had to kick them outside. Meanwhile ate a curry egg sandwich for lunch. We would have food literally coming out our ears if not exporting it, but be a lot poorer instead. People used to feed whitebait to their chooks.
>look up the egg chaos going on in new zealand
Guess where these cows came from
I don't see the problem myself.
Would you want to live there if you were a pig?
No, but thankfully I'm not one though.
So it's fine to inflict it on them? Bad luck pigs?
yes, nature hates the unlucky
Yeah, its not my problem.
based unfeeling NPC
Imagine the smell
These you know are state of the art modern places, and the people raising animals on pasture hills are at best a bunch of hicks
>snake genes for longer torso
that is retarded
I don't think the concept underwent any critical biological scrutiny.
I have a suHispanicion someone made that image as a fetish thing
CHINA IS BAD
ISRAEL IS YOUR FRIEND
MEAT IS EVIL
YOU WILL EAT ZE BUG
CHINA IS BAD
ISRAEL IS EVIL
YOU WILL EAT MEAT
ZE BUG IS YOUR FRIEND
China is bad
Israel is bad
Meat industry is bad
Eating bugs is bad
Eating roadkill is good
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Why should I believe the New York Times telling anything about one random building in my country?
Go ahead, post pictures from inside.
Ah, you can't. What a surprise.
it's called battery farming retard, it exists
so should gutter oil but the chinese keep doing it
What's the big deal? The pigs born in there don't know they're in a high rise, they don't know that there's a world beyond their pen and most importantly they don't know that they're going to be killed and eaten. All they know is they have infinite food and total comfort & safety. It's the pig version of living in ze pod and being happy.
The problem is that people can whine about it and an animal suffers at some point so another animal can eat. It's midwit shit that's devoid of the understanding of what nature is truly like.
Sure, if the pigs have everything to fulfill their basic needs like betting, toys and enough space so they aren't chronically stressed out and injure each other it's fine. Really only depends on the quality of their den.
woah, scrolling up and down rapidly makes it look 3d
Makes it look like the building is wobbling for me.
it makes it look like its rising and falling for me
Nah, we should improve upon existing designs, get more reliable sources of power like fusion and upscale not just factory farming of animals but also of crops in aquaponic/hydroponic systems. If you want nature to prosper then that's how you satisfy the needs of people and make more land available for nature to reclaim. Farmers can't compete with large industries of scale.
I only buy free range factories.
No. Feeding livestock anything fit for human consumption should be illegal, and we should be working on viable livestock that’s unable to think or feel pain.
Like a meat plant that grows from dirt.
what's more fucked up is that this would actually be more ethical than what we currently do
If "feel pain" is your criteria for being unethical to eat, I have sad news about vegetables and fruits.
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/secret-language-of-plants/
They not only communicate, they feel pain.
Your arm "feels pain" as well, it doesn't mean it is conscious.
So you're saying plants are parts of a conscious being? Doesn't that still make it wrong to eat them?
All living beings distinguish good from bad in some way. There are even videos of white ells chasing around bacteria which are aware that they are being chased and swim away like their life depends on it (bc it does).
If you as a living organism don't have a way to analyze your environment to engage with good stuff and avoid bad stuff you will stop existing as a species. Using "pain" is just a anthropocentric way of judging nature. Of course only animals get our sympathy and not even all of them. But unicelular beings, plants and fungi also suffer in their own ways. This is why exclution diets based on morality are just silly to me. Suffering is just as valid and part of life as pleasure. There is no need to torture animals but avoiding causing them ANY harm is just stupid. Eat meat, eat fish, eat vegetables and eat fungi. You should only pretend to be vegan to impress the cute uni chick you want to fuck a couple times then ditch her for being a malnourished idiot, although they always drop the vegan shit once you date them for a bit, it happened to me.
The bacteria aren't aware they're being chased. The ones that survive more often mechanically move away from dangerous chemicals, like those produced by the immune system.
is dirt afraid of soap if a bubble causes it to wash away? Your empathy circuits are malfunctioning, ape.
>bacteria reacts to chemical signal that warns it there is a threat nearby and swims away
>this is not being aware
Shake off your anthropocentric understanding of life. The bacteria is aware that they are being chased and thus runs away.
I am not using empathy to determine a bacteria is aware of danger and actively avoids it. I'm just stating the obvious.
We should be breeding animals to have complete awareness of there own impeding demise and have 10 times the nociceptor density as they do now, and also attach devices to them that periodically kicks them in the nuts.
t. Chinese
>viable livestock that’s unable to think or feel pain.
Put painkillers in the livestock feed. Problem solved.
Factory farming can easily be solved by reducing the popluation of people.
just raise the animals right and kill them in the least scary and painful way possible. factory farming is suffering for the whole animal's life, and the meat is shitty quality, and it can lead to diseases more than smaller operations can
>just raise the animals right and kill them in the least scary and painful way possible. factory farming is suffering for the whole animal's life, and the meat is shitty quality, and it can lead to diseases more than smaller operations can
Only real solution. Humans need meat to survive, but there is no reason to make animals suffer. Besides free-range meat not only tastes better, but is better for you.
I hope you are ready for 30x more expensive meat
asspull number. not even game is that expensive, even if you get it from the store compared to from a hunter
Game is not that expensive because most people eat factory farmed meat instead, if that supply dropped, game would be way more expensive.
It used to be normal only to have meat a few times a week, maybe only on sunday and there were way fewer people back then. What changed? Factory farming.
IQ and height also increased considerably, almost like the agricultural revolution never happened.
High quality diets are pretty important when your entire body is designed assuming you're going to be eating about a fish a day
half an elk can feed me and my girlfriend for half a year and I probably eat like you in terms of quantity.
The problem is wasteful consoomerism and excess production.
We should breed a transgenic caste of herbivore humans into vore, masochism and humiliation who are very efficient at converting nutrients into meat. This way we get a meat source who desire, enjoy, can and will consent into being eaten.
A meat plant would be fucking amazing but would take a massive amount of editing work even with crispr. Animal and plant cells are pretty different.
An "animal" which has no brain and constantly generates fat and muscle tissue for harvesting would be less difficult.
I would make an animal that is a huge meaty parasite hanging from trees, this way you get a tree that produces meat fruits. The problem is that then you need to raise it in a protected environment because there is no way wildlife will not want to eat a juicy animal that doesn't defend itself. Maybe we could make one animal that lives inside the plant? This way we cut the plant and harvest the animal instead and the plant will be the one protecting the animal. I think a cool idea would be an animal that is deeply connected to the plant so the animal will take water and sugars from the plant, get some supplements from the farmer but instead of producing urine it will return nitrogen and phosphorous waste to the plant aiding in the plant nutrition.
>garloids will exist in your lifetime
We're on the path towards the blessed timeline. I can feel it.
There's already synthetic, lab grown meat, it's just incredibly expensive and people in general are leery of it. Look up Future Meat Technologies and Memphis Meats. Ten years ago, it took $1.2m to grown one pound of ground beef and two years ago the cost had fallen to about $150 per pound.
It's not exactly vegan though, the meat is taken from cells of animals and cultured to grow on its own without a host body. It technically eliminates the concept of suffering from the animal because it's essentially a mass of tissue without a central nervous system or a brain, but that doesn't entirely eliminate the objections people may have.
the objections the moralizing proles have are nonsensical. god willing they will be too hungry to have a choice before it becomes an option and they will finally shut up.
Well I mean I'll still be raising my own chickens, catching my own fish, and hunting my own deer until I finally die, but if the earth's population keeps going up meat is going to become incredibly expensive without a revolution in how it's generated. That being said, I'm banking on mass depopulation to hit first because people won't try to solve the supply problem until after problems start, and by then people will have already been pushed past the brink and start lining up to kill each other.
As the population grows, there will be calls for population control that will be ignored until the threats are made at the barrel of a gun, then riots will ensue, and then people will die. Perhaps some first world nations will shut their borders before then and try to keep things at an equilibrium, but ultimately it's going to be a losing battle without some truly draconian actions being taken.
>catching my own fish
Is there a humane way to suffocate fish?
Not really, best you can do is keep them in a live well until you decapitate them. I don't worry too much though, they go from having a normal life to getting yanked out of the water and dead within a span of a few minutes. It's not like their entire life is suffering, only the very end.
i put live fish in the freezer to kill them kindly
Fish have about as much of a conscious experience of pain as a roomba hitting a wall.
Just bash its head on the gunwale
That's circuitous, Anon. It doesn't make sense to pursue an exotic solution like that when there are already so many edible plants. Just eat the plants we have.
Too long, didn't read but harvesting and eating fruits shouldn't cause any pain to the plant. Fruits are meant to be detached eventually. It probably feels nice to have them all plucked off after being laden all season.
>The pigs born in there don't know they're in a high rise, they don't know that there's a world beyond their pen and most importantly they don't know that they're going to be killed and eaten
:'(
>what nature is truly like
Factory farming isn't what nature is truly like. Inb4 someone tries to compare this to a SYMBIOTIC relationship in the wild
>That's circuitous, Anon. It doesn't make sense to pursue an exotic solution like that when there are already so many edible plants. Just eat the plants we have.
We need at least some meat to live. We need animal products to replace a lot of petroleum products. We need animal products because they can be grown much easier than chemicals can be synthesized and they already contain an advanced chemical production line that turns literal sewage into textiles, food, and polymers.
The only thing that could possibly do it better is fungi and algae engineered for the process but processing animals is simpler and can be done more sustainably, with less technology, less electricity, more decentralization, less trucks on the road, and definitely less of those shitty fucking rolling hunks of rare earth metals they want to replace the existing trucks with. Remember the ultimate moral and environmentalist goal is MAJOR DEPOPULATION (ELIMINATION OF OVER 70% OF THE HUMAN RACE) and high tech solution cease being viable without a ponzi economy and globe-spanning supply chains to support them.
trying to eat nothing but plants is an exotic and circuitous solution
most vegans rely on heavily processed foods, supplements, and exotic imports just to avoid malnutrition before cucking out and eating a free range egg, and maybe some fish, in an admission that "feels pain" usually refers to the level of consciousness demonstrated by a simple robot that avoids impacts.
China numba wan
Contemplate the aroma
that's where americans reincarnate after they die
fpbp
lmao fpbp
>that's where americans reincarnate after they die
Whereas we europoors already live there from the beginning?
>Like a meat plant that grows from dirt.
you know fullw ell if I were to make such a thing, the vegan-progressive-f4f types would oppose it, would burn our HQ and terrorize those willing to eat it.
Very based and true
Cope loser nobody likes the USA anymore we're a warmongering giant third world country
>t. Delusional communist
Don’t worry comrade I’m sure it will work this time
>we're a warmongering giant third world country
You say this but you are the only country with a safe future. China is absolutely fucked. Japan, South Korea as well. Europe soon too.
>China is absolutely fucked
Why that? Drought?
no, china is not fucked
china's elite's desire to be 1984 meets NSDAP meets USSR meets starhip troopers is fucked in the long term and government enforced anti-western contrarianism is having less and less of an effect on the capitalists that are taking over their country and following the same cultural evolutionary path as the industrializing west. there is only one best solution to every problem and china is not a developed nation. it is a developing one and every single one comes to the same conclusions.
not sure if chang is upset or if yuropoors just obsessed as usual.
Lel
Go to China and start protesting it there then.
>China does bad thing therefore the West must pay
Why are bunkerchuds like this?
Keeek
Go to NY
they already live like that