ending veg*ism

I had long been vegan for my sympathy with animals. I recently gave it up because some time ago I started to realize that creating all the fake meats and spreading a plant-based diet is contrary to human evolution (as predators) and is ultimately more harmful to entire species than the limited harm to individual animals being killed by people. Any other animal lovers here taken such a path to change that vegan ethic once held so deeply?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >claims to love animals
    >refuses to live like an animal
    >thinks he is better than an animal and thus can negate his dietary needs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to live like an animal
      >eating big macs that someone else made for you is "living like an animal"
      also nice reading comprehension

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >eating higly processed food that someone else prepared for you
        animals dont do that

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is peak human bullshit based off old very simplified ideas of herbivores. It's just as retarded as Alpha/Beta wolf shit.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need cis meat. You don't need trans meat. You need rice, beans, and potatoes
    >but muh heckin b12!
    >but muh heckin minerals!
    obviously supplementation has solved this problem. but if pills aren't based and natural like hot dogs, try OYSTERS which are easy to farm at scale

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >then try meat
      Retard

      And do you think factories sucking down coal power and putting trucks on the road is a good solution? How about you take a CHICKEN and put it in a box in your back yard. It's a stupid animal and needs very little care.

      If we reduce meat production to only sustainable grazing and whatnot the prices are going to skyrocket. Or we'll have to ration so that normal people can get some meat. Arguably it's good and necessary but good luck convincing anyone of that shit. Not that veganism is an easier sell. I doubt anything short of cultured meat that's cheaper than the real thing will change animal agriculture as we know it.

      >Prices are going to skyrocket
      Yes, that's good. People don't need to eat more beef than they can afford at $40/lb. Historically, beef was the food for kings. That's why peasants today are so obsessed with wolfing it down.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The vegan community is having a civil war concerning bivalves right now but I think the bivalve side is winning. If you're autistic then the goals of "veganism" are strictly avoiding animal products and you do this without question. If you have an actual objective in mind though like reducing suffering, then bivalve consumption is fine. Bivalve farming is weirdly perfect. Fills in hard to obtain nutrients on a vegan diet and actually improves the local water where it's practiced. Trawling is still bad though.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do "reduce suffering" vegans so rarely give a shit about the degree of suffering? Surely a grass fed cow does not suffer at all if slaughtered correctly. And surely, a mistreated human, or an orangutan taken from its home, suffers more than thousands of the most mistreated cattle.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are not about being moral their philosophy is based on being seen as moral by other people and nothing more

          A common pitfall of pseud wankers and people who are smart enough to know that morality is about nothing but manipulating other humans behavior. there is no good to reward you for it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is not true, you're just coping. I'm sure there's a minority who are vegan to virtue signal, but if you'd ever met vegans in real life you'd know that most do it because it aligns with their personal morals.
            The vast majority of meat eaters are literal golems who can't self-reflect, so they just get their morals from what society says is okay.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You got that other way around.
              >Vegans get their morals from redditors and have serious issues making their own decisions based on lack of responsibility.
              >Meat eaters have a more independent pathway of what’s moral or not and found a way to make consumption of meat sustainable. Therefore reject processed meat in flavor of meat from local farms.
              You doesn’t have to go globoreddit for an ecological way of food consumption.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >suffering matters because it does ok
              >other people see me as good because i am compassionate
              Vegans are golems. Meat eaters pick you apart all the time.
              >so palm oil? human abuse? is all your food cruelty free? if not i fins your morals nonexistent.
              >meat is fed corn!
              >i prefer grass fed and believe overpopulation is the only real threat to the environment.
              >MUH TORTURE SENTIENT BEINGS I AM GOOD BECAUSE I HAVE COMPASSION FOR EVERYTHING THAT MOVES COMPASSION IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS REEEE
              >do you have proof there is anything to have compassion for, or proof that compassion is always good?
              >*golem malfunction* CORPSE BREATH

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tbf real vegans are entirely self sufficient and die childless. most vegans really are virtue signaling NPCs that were accidentally programmed to exploit an old ape instinct to manipulate others into giving them more social status. for a real vegan it is moral and they won’t support any exploitation or destruction whatsoever. for a fake vegan it only matters that they are the nicest and most harmless person as far as laymen can see, even if their entire meal was produced with slave labor and shipped and trucked from across the world before being processed into fake meat in a coal-fueled factory as a wholly unnecessary last step before being sent to a grocery store to enjoy a 5-20% chance of becoming waste.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                TLDR
                Vegan = bicycle made from recycled scrap
                NPCgan = new tesla, “I only kill one child a week i am good ok? im not a murderer because the children are far away and nameless. but killing children is murder. it’s about murder reduction. durrr.”
                Carnist = horse and wagon
                Golem = corvette, “i refuse to have anything resembling moral thought because that makes life easier but don’t you dare do something i don’t like”

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              KEK looks like i created a lot of seethe with this post

              You got that other way around.
              >Vegans get their morals from redditors and have serious issues making their own decisions based on lack of responsibility.
              >Meat eaters have a more independent pathway of what’s moral or not and found a way to make consumption of meat sustainable. Therefore reject processed meat in flavor of meat from local farms.
              You doesn’t have to go globoreddit for an ecological way of food consumption.

              yeah bro i'm sure most meat eaters eat sustainably sourced meat from small-scale farms, not mass-produced goyslop torture meat.

              >suffering matters because it does ok
              >other people see me as good because i am compassionate
              Vegans are golems. Meat eaters pick you apart all the time.
              >so palm oil? human abuse? is all your food cruelty free? if not i fins your morals nonexistent.
              >meat is fed corn!
              >i prefer grass fed and believe overpopulation is the only real threat to the environment.
              >MUH TORTURE SENTIENT BEINGS I AM GOOD BECAUSE I HAVE COMPASSION FOR EVERYTHING THAT MOVES COMPASSION IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS REEEE
              >do you have proof there is anything to have compassion for, or proof that compassion is always good?
              >*golem malfunction* CORPSE BREATH

              >doing a good thing is pointless because you also do this other bad thing
              retard
              >>do you have proof there is anything to have compassion for
              >WHERE'S THE HECKIN SOURCE??!??
              i have no proof that you are conscious either

              tbf real vegans are entirely self sufficient and die childless. most vegans really are virtue signaling NPCs that were accidentally programmed to exploit an old ape instinct to manipulate others into giving them more social status. for a real vegan it is moral and they won’t support any exploitation or destruction whatsoever. for a fake vegan it only matters that they are the nicest and most harmless person as far as laymen can see, even if their entire meal was produced with slave labor and shipped and trucked from across the world before being processed into fake meat in a coal-fueled factory as a wholly unnecessary last step before being sent to a grocery store to enjoy a 5-20% chance of becoming waste.

              you unironically have no arguments, you're just seething at a strawman you created in your head

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      please off yourself

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love pointing out to Vegans that making all their fake shit requires vast amounts of land & resources and destroys/consumes more of the natural environment than they could possibly imagine.
    what it really shows is that they're selfish vain cowards that only follow their beliefs because it makes them feel moral superiority.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I love pointing out to Vegans that making all their fake shit requires vast amounts of land & resour-*ACK*

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Meat OVERproduction is shit, yes. But it is not inherent to meat. Especially not the amount you need to consume (less than 5oz a day).

        By the way, brazil is not suitable for large scale beef production and never has been. This is going against the natural order. All because some monkeys wanted to eat like their foreign gods.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          massive cope

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's not wrong though

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If we reduce meat production to only sustainable grazing and whatnot the prices are going to skyrocket. Or we'll have to ration so that normal people can get some meat. Arguably it's good and necessary but good luck convincing anyone of that shit. Not that veganism is an easier sell. I doubt anything short of cultured meat that's cheaper than the real thing will change animal agriculture as we know it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do realise there is an alternative than eating fake meats and it's just eating actual plants?

      Legumes, beans, nuts, seeds, things like seitan are all packed with protein and nutrients, and have the benefit of actually tasting good rather than an uncanny flesh replication.

      I don't really engage with the vegan community despite following a similar diet but I assume this would be the most common way to eat.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You were never vegan. You most likely don't even know what that word means. You are a transparent retard from the stupid bored obsessed with getting everyone to shove meat in their mouths.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know why people with this sort of dilemma don't eat roadkill. I know a guy who knew a guy who had a deal with his town where they'd call him up in any instance of roadkill so he could get it and cook it.
    >Doesn't support the cruel meat industry
    >Doesn't even kill an animal that wouldn't have died otherwise
    >Doesn't force you onto fake meat
    This is why turkey vultures were called "peace eagles" by native americans; scavengers are infathomably based.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't know why people with this sort of dilemma don't eat roadkill. I know a guy who knew a guy who had a deal with his town where they'd call him up in any instance of roadkill so he could get it and cook it.
      Is there even actually enough roadkill in a small (I assume) town to feed a grown man? From my experience roadkill mostly consists of small animals like cats, hares and hedgehogs, and I don't think cats are even particularly good as far as taste goes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In noguns states deer accidents are very frequent since they breed way too much since no one's hunting due to the gun laws.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but are they really frequent enough to consistently sustain someone with meat? Even assuming a single deer body can feed you for, what, two weeks?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meat isn't something you're sustained by. It supplements your inability to get everything you need from plants (especially plants you can get without semi trucks, HFO burning container ships, air freight, etc...). this is how it's been since the dawn of man. we do not need that much meat, no more than can be caught with our default hunting method. you don't need to eat more than 35oz a week and the longest lived people in areas with a diversity of fruits who mostly eat fish and fowl typically eat around half that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think nogun gays should be made to pay for every deer-related collision and property loss as a result.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These discussions seem to come up fairly often in vegan circles. Most of the ones who actually take the time to think about it agree that there are situations where eating animal products is morally neutral. Roadkill is the classic example. There's no way you're contributing to animal agriculture by eating it so there's not really a problem. Other situations include being given meat as a gift unprompted (something Buddhist monks have accepted as well) or dumpster diving. Whether or not ethical chicken eggs exist is up for debate. The pitfalls are executing male chicks and chickens when they get too old, but if you avoid that it should be fine.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That image is basically true to all predators eating prey. They digest their prey, and the parasites that may cause the prey discomfort.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously fake post. You weren't vegan.
    Why do antivegans seethe so hard that somebody chooses a different diet from them?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up celery man

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Get better at false flagging, corpsebreath

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You make it sound so much cooler than it is (glutamate breath).

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've yet to find a good reason to try veganism. Pragmatically, an animal dying in its natural environment will suffer a lot more than if killed by us - though that doesn't absolve factory farming and instead implies that if we want meat we should hunt for it individually. Morally, it seems bizzare and contradictory to impose our own sense of morality on animals. They don't get a say - in this way it's equally as immoral to remove ourselves from the natural process as it is to use it to justify factory farming. This may justify factory farming, if we consider man as simply being an animal that's better with tools than other animals, there's nothing we can observe in all other creatures that says we shouldn't be as brutal as they are to each other. Idk bros, moral arguments around veganism are just strange to me since we necessarily can't equivocate our sensibilities to animal life.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pescatarian is the most logical diet from both a moral and health viewpoint

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fish suffer just as much as a chicken. And the fishing industry destroys coral reefs so nah.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think vegans suck but sometimes I cook some vegan recipes because I like the taste.
    Other times I cook with meats. So I'm not a vegan, but I use their foods sometimes

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You were vegan because of sympathy but surely you are beginning to realize your hypocrisy. What of the animals exploited for agriculture? What of the humans exploited for agriculture? Is the suffering of an orangutan chased out of its home for palm oil not greater than that of a cow that is a little confused?

    There is a way to truly minimize and eventually eliminate harm but it actually involves eating animals. They are waste recyclers that burn calories digesting tough foods so we don't have to. In the end, we need them to minimize the amount of land we use for crops, but not so many of them that we use additional land for their sake. And in the end, it's not supremely vegan to give them up.

    Nope. We need to start actually using CRISPR and create non-sentient livestock.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We need to start actually using CRISPR and create non-sentient livestock.

      LOLOLOL what a mega tard take

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >surely technology will fix all of our problems!!
      Cope harder

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >technology BAD
        Nonsentient livestock is pretty fucking doable actually. Convincing farmcucks to put in the extra care a twitching meat plant would need is not. It's basically vat meat without the vat, and a bunch of feed/water/waste tubing and special suspensions to prevent sores and parasites instead.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats literally the definition of technology retard

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was a light vegan way back when I was religious. Cut the diet when I lost faith cause I couldn't find a satisfactory answer as to how a loving God would inflict chronic pain onto his children. I now see pain and suffering in a less good and evil/religious sense, and am able to enjoy meat guilt free.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    veganism gets encouragement because limiting human freedom from full exercise is necessary for the advancement of the technological system

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll eat my animals once they die from old age.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol didn't read you tree hugging fag

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Clearly because OP is saying he gave veganism up, you retard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't ever reply to my posts again you quad moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Calm down child.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      maybe if u wipe the cum from ur eyes u could read hmm

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      first post worst post

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