Do you ever wonder if Life was a mistake?

Do you ever wonder if Life was a mistake?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The idea of a correct world presupposes a notion of correctness, which itself presupposes intellect (life) of some kind to develop an idea of what is correct and incorrect in the first place. We can only make judgements on what's correct and incorrect on things within the domain of man. As for everything else, all things are correct simply by virtue of their existence.
    Your brain is God's gift to you, I suggest you use it next time before you ask such a dumb question.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hope everyone in this thread who complains about living kills themselves.
    (They won't).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Correct, I won't. I said ''It's possible that the total amount of suffering outweighs the amount of pleasure.'' Not ''being a middle class citizen who watches funny animal videos behind a computer screen is pure agony''.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nah God is real and he loves you ::DD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No he isn’t and he wouldn’t if he was

      I worship the wolf spirit

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no, because mistakes usually are followed by something that's better, and have you seen any other planet-wide species more succesful than us in the same amount of time in this cold and sad universe?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I believe it serves a function, I feel like it has cosmological significance and an important role to play. Perhaps not human life, but some form of life will perform that function one day.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    /an/tinatalists were a mistake, that's for sure. Imagine being the result of a completely unbroken chain linking us to the ontogenitor, having evolved new capacities and functions at every turn, being molded by the most uncaring of universe into the apex of evolved life, only to decide "mmmh, no, girls didn't notice me enough in highschool, life is inherent suffering, imma put an end to the cycle".
    Fucking bloody hell.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What seems really stupid about anti-natalism to me is that they're refusing to fix the problem that they're pointing out. Them not having kids isn't going to stop other people from having kids, and so the cycle ends up continuing anyways. The only difference now is that the genes that gave the antinatalists empathy get weeded out, which probably ends up making things even worse.

      >sort of like cancer is?
      Exactly. Suicide is rare even among hopeless cancer patients.

      I'm confused what your argument is. Because suicide is rare in cancer patients, evolution will make your balls fall off if they get kicked every day?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm confused what your argument is
        My argument is that life is desirable and worthwile independently from how much and how often you suffer.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You aren't being serious. There is no amount of suffering that would make you prefer not existing to existing?

          Without god there is no duty or obligation.

          No. The opposite is true. If god exists then there is no duty or obligation, because god is the one causing everything to happen by creating it himself (including forcing people to have "free will", whatever that means)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is no amount of suffering that would make you prefer not existing to existing?
            Most people will terminal illnesses keep taking meds, undergoing surgery and trying to feel better even when it's hopeless. People tend to cling to life no matter what, I don't doubt I'd do the same. Even my dog kept trying to do his normal activities during his last day of life with cancer.
            In order to contemplate suicide you need to be extremely estranged from your roots.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You actually believe that even if aliens abducted you and subjected you to the worst torture physically possible for 100 years, you'd still want to keep existing even then?
              There's a big difference between saying "life is worth the hardships people normally face" versus "there is literally NOTHING that could make living undesirable"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if aliens abducted you and subjected you to the worst torture physically possible for 100 years
                That's an extremely unnatural scenario. As I said here

                >There is no amount of suffering that would make you prefer not existing to existing?
                Most people will terminal illnesses keep taking meds, undergoing surgery and trying to feel better even when it's hopeless. People tend to cling to life no matter what, I don't doubt I'd do the same. Even my dog kept trying to do his normal activities during his last day of life with cancer.
                In order to contemplate suicide you need to be extremely estranged from your roots.

                and here

                >Then why do only humans commit suicide?
                We live in extremely artificial and unnatural settings that corrupt our innate tendency for survival. Captive wild birds also tend to commit self-harm by plucking their own feathers and starving themselves to death, even when they're in good health otherwise.

                only forcing an animal/human in a captive setting where it's estranged from its true nature can erase survival instincts. This is true independently from how painful and torturous the captivity is.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This is true independently from how painful and torturous the captivity is.
                You seem like you want to argue that animals and humans try to survive at all costs, and that suicide is an exceptional case generally confined to already deranged people. That's totally fine, I agree. My question wasn't about that though. I asked you whether you believed that life was valuable for its own sake, such that no amount of suffering could ever make it undesirable.

                The sane answer is "no" but you're dodging the question. Implicitly you're claiming that someone being slowly tortured by the cartel should be grateful for living a few more hours.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Implicitly you're claiming that someone being slowly tortured by the cartel should be grateful for living a few more hours
                I'm not implying that they should be grateful, I'm implying that in a situation like that people will still want to live and cling to the hope of being freed.
                My argument is not that you should always be happy and grateful to live, it's that you will strive to live independently from your suffering.
                No amount of pain can overwrite our survival instincts.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No amount of pain can overwrite our survival instincts.
                That's a funny conviction to have. Very false historically.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicide
                But I guess you mean something really specific, but also certainly false: there's never been someone who killed themselves simply to avoid feeling physical pain.
                You can equivocate endlessly whether they were motivated by suffering or the "estrangement" you mention, so it's not a very interesting question to me. Probably a million soldiers at least have killed themselves to avoid being tortured to death by the enemy. But then again, you might say that's "estrangement" or something like that.

                But you seem to agree that life isn't intrinsically valuable despite what you experience, so I have no further point to make.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Brother, I tried my best but I can't keep a woman from losing interest in me and moving on. Despite my best efforts I've been turned down in favor of literal rapists multiple times so all my hard work to better myself is for nothing. My last partner literally told me she was never attracted to me in any way, having sex with me was just a form of self harm.for her. After that I couldn't handle it anymore. The only thing I'm working on is improving my health and atoning for my sins the best I can in the time I have left.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >she was never attracted to me in any way, having sex with me was just a form of self harm.for her.
        Jesus that's really rough. Fuck.
        she was probably just trying to fuck with your mind at that point, probably a sociopath
        Good luck moving on with your life I really admire your attitude.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude your experience speaks to me.

        We should get pets instead of expecting any virtue out of those lesser humans.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most of my life's decisions have been mistakes

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i believe that non-existence would be preferable to existence, yes.
    but it's ultimately not my decision, but god's. i am trapped here eternally, now that i have been brought into creation, so there's no escape for me. but i refuse to bring another life into this, because there's a much higher chance of it going to hell than heaven.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >religious anti-natalism
      Are you a Gnostic?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no. i understand that "be fruitful and multiply" is a thing, but it's not a requirement.
        i just understand that the path to heaven is narrow. very few will make it. so it's most likely my kid would go to hell. not saying they would, but it's more likely than not. i don't want to be responsible for condemning someone to this, and it is partially my fault, since i contribute to their creation.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at that.... No wars, no killing, no disease, no worries... Damn, what a peace.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only the living are capable of feeling a sense of peace

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your face was a mistake

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people complain life is painful but won't commit suicide to end it. almost as if their...enjoying it...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah some people enjoy death more than life, how about that

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meh, if it was, no problem, all life will go extinct at some point.
    And if it wasn't, wowee, life exists how fortunate are we.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No way. I'm part of life. Life is all that matters. Life creates purpose where there is none

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. Life is neat and we should spread it to every lifeless rock in our galaxy.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just yours

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Underrated.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    only animal life

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes unironically. It's possible that the total amount of suffering outweighs the amount of pleasure.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And that matters because?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'll kick you in the balls and then ask you why it matters

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Life would still be worth living afterwards.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            in that case I'll kick you in the balls daily

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Eventually they'll fall off and it won't hurt anymore. That's evolution for ya.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sort of like how depressed people went extinct and there hasn't been a suicide in millions of years? Is that how evolution works?

                >OH NO, I STUBBED MY TOE! THE ENTIRE MORALITY OF LIFE HAS JUST BEEN SHIFTED, AS NOW PAIN OUTWEIGHS PLEASURE!
                Preference utilitarians are retarded. Hedonists doubly so.

                You're a hedonist, at least a negative one. Give me a blowtorch and I'll prove it to you. You just don't like being honest with yourself because, being the hedonist that you are, it would be uncomfortable to you.

                [...]

                If you replaced "christians" with "hindus" your post would begin to make a little bit of sense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >HURR THE BODY WANTS PLEASURE! THEREFORE YOU ARE HEDONIST! YOUR ENTIRE MORAL PHILOSOPHY MUST BE BASED ON YOUR BODY, RIGHT?
                t. brainlet hedonist incapable of conceptualizing duty and obligation

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YOUR ENTIRE MORAL PHILOSOPHY MUST BE BASED ON YOUR BODY, RIGHT?
                This but unironically

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Without god there is no duty or obligation.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Duty and obligation are for immoral people with no self control.
                People who are naturally inclined to respect others and their ideals don't need to be obligated to do anything, all they need is conviction.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A person is not moral or immoral without the judgement of god. You co opted those terms to mean “people i like and trust and people I don’t” but there is not grand imperative to be honest and earn your favor doing it.

                Life is a sacred creation given purpose by its creator and moral and godly are synonyms. If you call life a mistake or doubt the lord you are immoral.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A person is not moral or immoral without the judgement of god
                A person is moral or immoral depending on how they behave with their family, friends, community and environment. God is not part of the equation.
                >there is not grand imperative
                Good people don't need imperatives to do acts of good.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good and evil are gods creations and if you do not believe in him they do not exist. Without god killing everyone you know to become rich could be “good”.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Good and evil are gods creations
                Good and evil are defined by people and cultures.
                If you got definitive proof that God doesn't exist would you start raping and murdering people?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                People are arbitrary. God can’t be proven to not exist because the proof would undoubtedly be fabricated by satan.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                atheists have never defined good fully. they get to some darwinistic nonsense they break down at the next “why” or instantly reveal themselves as sneaky stirnerites

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "Atheists" are not a group or cultural movement.
                A = without
                Theos = God
                Any other meaning you attach to the term is nothing but sophism.

                People are arbitrary. God can’t be proven to not exist because the proof would undoubtedly be fabricated by satan.

                You're dodging the question.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s not a question, because god’s existence is ultimate truth. You are asking “if the universe had not been created”. What idiocy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If God appeared before you, turned the water into wine, created a golden cross out of nothing, then he said "I'm done for" and died, would you suddenly start harming others?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That would obviously be satan. God can not die. He is eternal.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That would obviously be satan
                Satan doesn't have the power of creation.
                >God can not die
                If he's omnipotent he should have the power to kill himself as well.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why it would be an illusion
                >god can kill himself
                Doing so would destroy the universe.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why it would be an illusion
                >god can kill himself
                Doing so would destroy the universe.

                It's HYPOTHETICAL. It's a WHAT IF scenario. We don't think it's possible either because god doesn't exist.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I am an agent of lucifer
                Opinion discarded

                Besides the bible already tells us to hurt people
                >have jesus forgive your sins
                >cast the first stone (made of lead, very small but also very fast)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes but i would only kill furries and atheists (before they inevitably turn into furries)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But not people you deem pure and innocent? Why, could it be that your morals didn't depend on God's obligations after all?
                Also check the filesize of that image lol

                That’s why it would be an illusion
                >god can kill himself
                Doing so would destroy the universe.

                >Doing so would destroy the universe
                It's not written anywhere that the universe can only exist as long as God does. It could very well be an autonomous creation, humans have "free will" after all.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t have morals. I just hate furries.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Theists can't tell why either except ''god wants it''. What does it mean for god to want something and why do you care? Does god get a dopamine rush each time you suck him off on Wauf?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                well the idea is you're supposed to shill the religion like the jabroni with the commandments did, right? so i'd presume so yeah
                ya think he'd prefer real life though

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >be god
                >invent suffering for no apparent reason
                >create people who can think for themselves
                >some of them call life a mistake and doubt the lord
                >don't inform them except with some weird old book that nobody wants to read
                >get angry
                >make them even suffer more in hell

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >be god
                >invent suffering for no apparent reason
                >create people who can think for themselves
                >some of them call life a mistake and doubt the lord
                >don't inform them except with some weird old book that nobody wants to read
                >get angry
                >make them even suffer more in hell

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Sort of like how depressed people went extinct and there hasn't been a suicide in millions of years?
                Depression is a temporary state, also there were no people millions of years ago

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Depression is a temporary state
                sort of like cancer is? I guess it's not an issue then.

                If life wasn't worth living through suffering all lifeforms would simply give up and let themselves die without breeding. The suffering of wild animals in their natural habitat is also wildly exaggerated.

                animals aren't intelligent enough to decide whether life is worth living or not.

                >HURR THE BODY WANTS PLEASURE! THEREFORE YOU ARE HEDONIST! YOUR ENTIRE MORAL PHILOSOPHY MUST BE BASED ON YOUR BODY, RIGHT?
                t. brainlet hedonist incapable of conceptualizing duty and obligation

                Replace "body" with "mind" and you'll be correct.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >animals aren't intelligent enough to decide whether life is worth living or not
                Yes they are, it hardly requires any intelligence.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >sort of like cancer is?
                Exactly. Suicide is rare even among hopeless cancer patients.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OH NO, I STUBBED MY TOE! THE ENTIRE MORALITY OF LIFE HAS JUST BEEN SHIFTED, AS NOW PAIN OUTWEIGHS PLEASURE!
      Preference utilitarians are retarded. Hedonists doubly so.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the fuck up. Try living without technology like 99% of animals. I hope you get beautiful children and a chimpanzee eats them right in front of you.

        https://i.imgur.com/ts944WV.jpg

        >total amount of suffering

        s*yjak posters should be banned

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If an animal's offspring dies it just tries again in the next breeding season

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then you see your offspring die every year
            >but but but...
            Yeah, whatever, maybe life is worth it but what do we know. I just think it's dumb when a bunch of 21th century first world humanfags say that there isn't that much suffering in the world.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              If life wasn't worth living through suffering all lifeforms would simply give up and let themselves die without breeding. The suffering of wild animals in their natural habitat is also wildly exaggerated.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Suffering is exactly the force that prevents animals from giving up and dying.

                >animals aren't intelligent enough to decide whether life is worth living or not
                Yes they are, it hardly requires any intelligence.

                Then why do only humans commit suicide?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why do only humans commit suicide?
                We live in extremely artificial and unnatural settings that corrupt our innate tendency for survival. Captive wild birds also tend to commit self-harm by plucking their own feathers and starving themselves to death, even when they're in good health otherwise.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Self harm isn't the same as suicide. Self harm is common among retarded people. Your first point stands somewhat but still very few people throughout history have gone back to a natural lifestyle.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >total amount of suffering

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The amount of cope and suffering you've been experiencing in the thread proves you're right, I guess.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy hell utilitarians were a mistake.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not a mistake, more like a fluke.

      There's probably lifeforms that only feel one or neither yet still exist

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy upvoted batman!

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, sounds like a pretty moronic question to me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes unironically. It's possible that the total amount of suffering outweighs the amount of pleasure.

      the duality of m/an/

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