Do crayfish feel pain? Is it okay to boil them alive? Posted on April 24, 2023 by Anonymous Do crayfish feel pain? Is it okay to boil them alive?
in nature they get eaten alive piece by piece, sometimes ass first, boiling them kills them in like 2 seconds.
I never had to do it myself, always bought it already dead, but I think I would try to kill it swiftly with the knife first.
yes they feel pain, is not in the same way as us but i do believe their brain is complex enough to be considered torture boiling them alive.
Crustaceans don't feel pain as they don't have a proper nervous system, it can only detect there's something wrong with the body but not pain in the human sense
Cephalopods and most fish do feel pain and should be properly killed before cooking
idrc. Nature intended empathy and being humane for your fellow humans. I don't think I'm better or more enlightened than the kind of animal that eats another alive so I'll keep eating meat.
why are we always so focused on pain? why does nobody ask if they feel pleasure? and if not, why do we worry about killing them? their lives are valueless if they cannot enjoy anything.
they do though, theres been a lot of experiments with fruit flies and one of the things they found is alcohol exposure flood their system with "happy" hormones, which is what they do when theyre incels
Just destroy their brain if you're so worried about it
The real question is, why should that matter. What does your ability to empathize with an animal and having a coping mechanism broken have to do with taking a life?
No I'm not against eating or killing animals, fuck you.
Can't you like pierce their brains and immediately puting them in the boiling pot so you can claim they didn't suffer?
Thats the thing. They don't have a brain. They've got a cluster of nerve in each segment like an insect, probably all of which do some of the sensing of pain. But no part that is really there to give them any kind of cognition or experience of it. If you want to destroy the lot as fast as you can, you can poke you knife in the head and then bring it down to cut them in half down the middle. Or you can chuck them in the freezer until they are dead. They don't show any negative response to the cold.
Yes and they are judging you. for your siiinss.
I don't care
I'm a human and I see things in my human way, even if it was scientifically proven that animals do not feel the pain at all, I would still kill these animals in humane way.
That is my way, my human feelings and my human empathy, I will never change them, so you can call me retard, beta or whatever, I still won't care.
You're seeing things in a mildly autistic way
As far as we know, only people with a certain mutation feel empathy for mammals. it has never been tested on things without faces.
but thats you though, an object doesnt have to have feelings for you to understand a shitty situation when you see one, i can see a rock get split with pickaxe to say "i dont really want to get hit with a pickaxe, that seems really painful considering what it just did to the rock", just as much as id rather have a quick death than being boiled alive.
why not just kill them and then boil them as much as you want.
sorry but that's impossible, my chinky genes are preventing me.
I have to torture a defensless animal to enjoy its taste 🙂
10 trillion crawdads vs 1 million humans. No weapons, tools or clothes. Who wins?
Yes and yes.
Preferably knife them in the brain before boiling. Reminds me of that exchange between Jeremy Clarkson and Gordon Ramsay, when they were cooking lobsters.
>Shoves a knife in lobster's head.
>That instantly kills them, just for sort of for humane reasons.
>What, putting them in boiling water is slow and agonizing somehow?
>Eh no, but then they're dead by then.
>Well if you want to waste time stabing them in the head - go right ahead.
So yea, it's fine either way, might wanna go stabby stabby just to be safe.
Unless you are one of those troglodites that likes to suck out the juices from the head after you eat the muscly parts, maybe don't stab them then, it's gonna ruine the brain juice.
But that's non-white behavior so it's better if you don't.
How would you have a will to live without suffering? You wouldn't have one. So of course they feel, that's why we consider them an animal and not a thing like a rock, lmao. Of course they suffer. Depends entirely on you if that freaks you out or not. But lying to yourself? Come on, man...
If it doesn't have eyelids it doesn't have feelings
snakes dont have eyelids, im pretty sure they have feelings,
shes right THOUGH
>taking advice from the mentally ill
If someone transfers feelings from literal unfeeling objects to human beings they are mentally ill, complainer or destroyer.
arthropods in general have an INCREDIBLY simplified nervous system, wherein they dont even have brains as we understand them but a series of nerve clusters distributed through their bodies - what you're actually asking is if there's a consciousness there that experiences suffering, and while we really have no way to determine that, if there IS one it is so far removed structurally anything it would experience would be utterly alien to us.
From a physics end, if there IS anything behind the eyes of a crayfish, dropping it in a large quantity of boiling water will kill it almost immediately. Small animals have TERRIBLE resistance to heat, since they lack the mass to insulate themselves - their bodies heat up to the point where all metabolic functions cease pretty much immediately. the smaller the body, the faster it's heated.
It takes about 30 to 45 seconds for a boiled lobster to die (under ideal conditions).
See prior comment about small animals. More mass = a longer time to heat to the point of nonfunction.
I did, regardless that is the exact amount of time it takes for a boiled lobster to die. 30 to 45 seconds.
See prior comment about time for boiled lobster to die (30 to 45 seconds).
Which for the purposes of this conversation is irrelevant since he's taking about crayfish, which are considerably smaller.
If they feel pain, it certainly isn't in the same way we do, and therefore is impossible to comprehend.
Crustaceans regualarly rip their own legs off and have seemingly no reaction so I'm gonna err on the side of No, they don't.
This. They rip their shit off all the time.
and animals caught in traps will chew their own leg off, whats your point? just because they have mechanisms to drop limbs faster doesnt mean they cant feel pain
Prove a lobster feels anything at all and isn't just mechanically reacting to stimuli
As it is you arguing that if I do this
My keyboard is screaming in pain. Recalibrate your empathy circuits, NPC.
Not him but what the...
Try to prove that you yourself feel anything at all as opposed to just reacting to stimuli mechanical or otherwise to a third party O.o
>just mechanically reacting to stimuli
What exactly do you think pain is you fucking retard?
hes autistic, he uses the retard definition of pain, which requires having an emotional response to negative stimuli, which is in of itself retarded still because arthropods can just die during molts because of stress under ideal conditions, which means they are capable of having a negative emotional response, as such you can correlate to them being able to have an emotional response to negative stimuli, they just arent physically capable of expressing in any way outside of very specific body language, like that one webm of that guy scratching his centipede. its its very clearly acting differently when by scratched, very calm, but i cannot say to as what emotion its having, or the fact that fruit flies will drink alcohol to feel good, or the fact that hermit crabs have a preference to shell shape or specific food items
They don’t have emotions or feel anything retard
Isn't it hermit crabs that can literally die of lonelyness, if you have a pair and one goes then the remaining one doesn't live for long.
Wouldn't that be considered an extremely strong emotional response, so strong in fact that it manifests itself as having a negative impact on overall physical health.
In other words they might even have stronger feelings than you do :p
They have no emotions tard. Just because they die without another one doesn't mean shit.
It can't convey that it has feelings and even if it did, it's too stupid to properly communicate them. So it's a stupid creature that you're humanising and anthropomorphising because you're a chud or a homosexual with no ability to distinguish real from your own psychotic fantasies. Take your meds. A hermit crab is nothing but a stupid animal and it doesn't have complex emotions like humans. They do not have emotions.
Not sure if bait but ok I'll bite..
Interesting indeed, I don't even know where to start adressing your quite concerning rant you might want to get your mental disorders in check not to mention that your views on other living beings says a lot about you that aren't really flattering.
It does show that they are pretty complex social creatures that can literally die from depression, separation related issues, alienation or call it what you will and that does show that they do feel something I could take a wild guess and say that they might even have a more complex and competent range of emotions than what you have if one would go by your replies.
Just because something or someone can't speak your language, convey their meaning in a way that you personally understand or just isn't perceptive or experienced enough to notice doesn't mean that they don't have emotions merely that you yourself might lack the necessary skills to grasp what is being conveyed.
By your logic people that speak languages that you fail to have a working knowledge of somehow lack emotions just because you can't understand them and then you go on to say that all people have emotions why are you contradicting yourself.
Come on now, have you EVER been around animals O.o
>an animal dies from a stress response without potential for resolution
>Is cortisol bad for the body? Is it an evolutionary drive to find mates and safety? Are they dying because the stress response is meant to be halted by an action they can not perform? Could this all happen without thought? No
>THEY HAVE A RICH INNER WORLD
This is why you fucks are going extinct and women prefer everything but you. You’d afford welfare to a literal bug.
it is a bug with the neuron count of your fucking leg
What makes you think that they die from cortisolrelated issues or that they even have cortisol, that is kind of a big assumption don't you think not to mention that you skipped adressing everything else.
Not that it is any of your concern but on that point you are severely mistaken.
That was weirdly specific and false.
You seem quite angry anon, are you sure that you are feeling ok is all well in your life?
Even if the chemical were different (HCH) you get the point. Stop assuming super rich inner worlds because you deviant ghostly cumskins have empathy for a rock and would let it fuck your wife. It’s a bug driven thoughtlessly by chemical urges, it has 0 awareness of its life. It’s like a roomba dying of stress when separated from its charging station. Something does not have to perceive anything to respond to it. You can be made a non-conscious actor by selective brain damage. Take your short term memory and a few connections in your auditory and visual cortices and you will respond to the world like you can see but you will say you heard or saw anything, you will be a shred of a mind along for the ride in an animal. Nonhumans except for a few don’t even have that shred. Especially not a bug with the experience of your left leg.
>but you will never say
Yes never, not even in the moment. Could even pain be separated from your mind? Someone just needs to find the wires to cut. The part of your brain that is needed to integrate senses into perception and experience is not just absent in bugs but basically fucking nothing in most mammals.
And yet you would treat a bug, a rat, and a crow as equals rather than prioritizing the crow that has stronger evidence for actually feeling anything.
They don't feel anything. An automated biological system processes a stimulus and its appropriate reaction, but it does not have the subjective experience of feeling. It feels about as much pain as a keyboard feels you typing on it.
they dont feel pain as they have no dermis nor do they gain any biological advantage from it. by the time their carapace is punctured, they are fucked and wouldnt heal from it anyway
Also they lack nociception
Plants feel pain and communicate that pain to each other. Should we stop eating salads and just eat dirt instead?
While one lion is choking the wildebeest, another is already goring it open.
Animals have no care for the suffering of other animals. We only care for two reasons.
One is that God gave us stewardship over all the animals so we can do whatever we want but we should also care for them.
Second is that an animal that's suffered tastes worse than if it hadn't.
So yes, it's absolutely okay to boil them alive. They're crayfish and they taste delicious when boiled alive. Just imagine you're boiling the suffering out of them.
I can't help but notice that you didn't list empathy
Having empathy for things without any actual feelings is a mental disorder
Disagreeing with your retarded take on what does or doesn't have "feelings" isn't the same thing as feeling bad for inanimate objects. Go back to reading about your magic sky king, the adults are talking.
>picture book reader
>calling xerself an adult
sir this is an anime website and you have to be over 18 to post here.
Buddy you can not be calling things mental disorders after spewing religious retardation a post earlier
imagine feeling bad for food and then also going bUt fAiTh iN God iS a mEnTaL dIsEaSE. Absolute mong. I will eat one, more chicken thigh today just to mock you.
It doesn't matter if it has feelings. It is food and this makes it taste good. Retards could be worshipping God but their bird brains suffering from multiple levels of toxo so now you're worshipping the crayfish I boil alive for food. You are beneath me. Thanks for talking, I'll be enjoying some more food now.
I eat grass fed beef and free range chicken because these taste the best and because it convinces vegetarian girls that I'm still one of good guys :^)
She'll learn soon enough though that it's all theatre once I'm devouring her pussy. But by then the physical pleasure will outweigh the mental realisation. Stay in your place. Once the walls fall, I'll be eating vegetarians without a second thought. You girls are just food for me.
Empathy is part of good stewardship
Imagine you're such a retard that you believe the gnomish god, who also commanded you not to eat crawling animals, by the way. Retard.
But yeah, seafood is delicious
>midwit talks about something he knows nothing about
a common occurrence
"Consider the Lobster" makes a compelling case that seabugs feel pain or something akin to it. But I still eat meat, y'know?
Lobster boiler here, I don't buy it. There's no attempt to escape or avoid the pot. They just kind of shudder and die.
I mean, they have no fucking idea what's going on. If you were unexpectedly plunged into boiling water, you'd have third degree burns on every inch of your body in a few seconds. If those few seconds were what we judged your intelligence by, there wouldn't be much to see.
Humans like all mammals would trash about aimlessly trying to exit the water. Eventually their pain receptors burn out and they'd just give up and accept death. If the lobby doesn't move then it just wanted you to boil it. It was asking for it.
>They just kind of shudder and die
>If the lobby doesn't move then it just wanted you to boil it. It was asking for it.
>moving the goalpost already
If you were dropped into the artic ocean right now you would also just shudder and die. You would not struggle nor would you even be able to scream, so I guess you don't feel pain either. Extreme, sudden temperature changes do lots of crazy stuff to nervous systems.
You're about as retarded as a lobster. They don't even know what a pot is. They don't know what's going on outside their peripheral. They don't have the concepts even.
It's probably orgasmic for them instead of painful. They die in a joyous ecstasy. Think about it. No cold area has them. They love warm water. If no warm water nearby they will form large scale migration to find it. Literally biologically programmed to seek out warm water. The warmer the better. Armor can't get burnt so there was no biological imperative to make hot temperatures painful for them.
Crayfish when they're plunged in scolding hot boiling water be like
>crayfish - cray - closet
>pain - pai - penis - rape
I guess this is your way of trying to get my attention? You think you're real funny don't you, trying to make fun of me like that? I don't find it funny. You won't be laughing when karma comes for you.
I understood that reference
All animals with a nervous system feel pain. It's a pretty inhumane way to kill them, tbh.
And crustaceans are smarter than you think. Lobsters live decades and can recognize individual people.
stop eating animals
no such thing a "humane" killing
>stop eating animals
>no such thing as a humane death
Yes there is, and you will not be given one.
Fine, it's a painful and not instantaneous way to kill them. Pedantry is a really effective way to sell your opinion, good job.
>no such thing a "humane" killing
Morphine and helium ran pretty high on the humane human killings at least.
You've clearly never dealt with livestock of any kind.