Do crayfish feel pain? Is it okay to boil them alive?

Do crayfish feel pain? Is it okay to boil them alive?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    in nature they get eaten alive piece by piece, sometimes ass first, boiling them kills them in like 2 seconds.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never had to do it myself, always bought it already dead, but I think I would try to kill it swiftly with the knife first.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yes they feel pain, is not in the same way as us but i do believe their brain is complex enough to be considered torture boiling them alive.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Crustaceans don't feel pain as they don't have a proper nervous system, it can only detect there's something wrong with the body but not pain in the human sense
    Cephalopods and most fish do feel pain and should be properly killed before cooking

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    idrc. Nature intended empathy and being humane for your fellow humans. I don't think I'm better or more enlightened than the kind of animal that eats another alive so I'll keep eating meat.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why are we always so focused on pain? why does nobody ask if they feel pleasure? and if not, why do we worry about killing them? their lives are valueless if they cannot enjoy anything.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they do though, theres been a lot of experiments with fruit flies and one of the things they found is alcohol exposure flood their system with "happy" hormones, which is what they do when theyre incels

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just destroy their brain if you're so worried about it

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is, why should that matter. What does your ability to empathize with an animal and having a coping mechanism broken have to do with taking a life?

    No I'm not against eating or killing animals, frick you.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't you like pierce their brains and immediately puting them in the boiling pot so you can claim they didn't suffer?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thats the thing. They don't have a brain. They've got a cluster of nerve in each segment like an insect, probably all of which do some of the sensing of pain. But no part that is really there to give them any kind of cognition or experience of it. If you want to destroy the lot as fast as you can, you can poke you knife in the head and then bring it down to cut them in half down the middle. Or you can chuck them in the freezer until they are dead. They don't show any negative response to the cold.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and they are judging you. for your siiinss.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care
    I'm a human and I see things in my human way, even if it was scientifically proven that animals do not feel the pain at all, I would still kill these animals in humane way.
    That is my way, my human feelings and my human empathy, I will never change them, so you can call me moron, beta or whatever, I still won't care.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're seeing things in a mildly autistic way
      https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-people-with-autism-lack-empathy-259887

      As far as we know, only people with a certain mutation feel empathy for mammals. it has never been tested on things without faces.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6116162/

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        but thats you though, an object doesnt have to have feelings for you to understand a shitty situation when you see one, i can see a rock get split with pickaxe to say "i dont really want to get hit with a pickaxe, that seems really painful considering what it just did to the rock", just as much as id rather have a quick death than being boiled alive.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why not just kill them and then boil them as much as you want.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sorry but that's impossible, my chinky genes are preventing me.
      I have to torture a defensless animal to enjoy its taste 🙂

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    10 trillion crawdads vs 1 million humans. No weapons, tools or clothes. Who wins?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and yes.
    Preferably knife them in the brain before boiling. Reminds me of that exchange between Jeremy Clarkson and Gordon Ramsay, when they were cooking lobsters.
    >Shoves a knife in lobster's head.
    >That instantly kills them, just for sort of for humane reasons.
    >What, putting them in boiling water is slow and agonizing somehow?
    >Eh no, but then they're dead by then.
    >Well if you want to waste time stabing them in the head - go right ahead.

    So yea, it's fine either way, might wanna go stabby stabby just to be safe.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Unless you are one of those troglodites that likes to suck out the juices from the head after you eat the muscly parts, maybe don't stab them then, it's gonna ruine the brain juice.

      But that's non-white behavior so it's better if you don't.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How would you have a will to live without suffering? You wouldn't have one. So of course they feel, that's why we consider them an animal and not a thing like a rock, lmao. Of course they suffer. Depends entirely on you if that freaks you out or not. But lying to yourself? Come on, man...

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If it doesn't have eyelids it doesn't have feelings

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      snakes dont have eyelids, im pretty sure they have feelings,

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      shes right THOUGH

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >taking advice from the mentally ill
      If someone transfers feelings from literal unfeeling objects to human beings they are mentally ill, complainer or destroyer.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    arthropods in general have an INCREDIBLY simplified nervous system, wherein they dont even have brains as we understand them but a series of nerve clusters distributed through their bodies - what you're actually asking is if there's a consciousness there that experiences suffering, and while we really have no way to determine that, if there IS one it is so far removed structurally anything it would experience would be utterly alien to us.
    From a physics end, if there IS anything behind the eyes of a crayfish, dropping it in a large quantity of boiling water will kill it almost immediately. Small animals have TERRIBLE resistance to heat, since they lack the mass to insulate themselves - their bodies heat up to the point where all metabolic functions cease pretty much immediately. the smaller the body, the faster it's heated.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It takes about 30 to 45 seconds for a boiled lobster to die (under ideal conditions).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        See prior comment about small animals. More mass = a longer time to heat to the point of nonfunction.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I did, regardless that is the exact amount of time it takes for a boiled lobster to die. 30 to 45 seconds.
          See prior comment about time for boiled lobster to die (30 to 45 seconds).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Which for the purposes of this conversation is irrelevant since he's taking about crayfish, which are considerably smaller.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If they feel pain, it certainly isn't in the same way we do, and therefore is impossible to comprehend.
    Crustaceans regualarly rip their own legs off and have seemingly no reaction so I'm gonna err on the side of No, they don't.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. They rip their shit off all the time.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. They rip their shit off all the time.

      and animals caught in traps will chew their own leg off, whats your point? just because they have mechanisms to drop limbs faster doesnt mean they cant feel pain

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Prove a lobster feels anything at all and isn't just mechanically reacting to stimuli

        As it is you arguing that if I do this
        >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
        My keyboard is screaming in pain. Recalibrate your empathy circuits, NPC.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but what the...

          Try to prove that you yourself feel anything at all as opposed to just reacting to stimuli mechanical or otherwise to a third party O.o

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >just mechanically reacting to stimuli
          What exactly do you think pain is you fricking moron?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but what the...

            Try to prove that you yourself feel anything at all as opposed to just reacting to stimuli mechanical or otherwise to a third party O.o

            hes autistic, he uses the moron definition of pain, which requires having an emotional response to negative stimuli, which is in of itself moronic still because arthropods can just die during molts because of stress under ideal conditions, which means they are capable of having a negative emotional response, as such you can correlate to them being able to have an emotional response to negative stimuli, they just arent physically capable of expressing in any way outside of very specific body language, like that one webm of that guy scratching his centipede. its its very clearly acting differently when by scratched, very calm, but i cannot say to as what emotion its having, or the fact that fruit flies will drink alcohol to feel good, or the fact that hermit crabs have a preference to shell shape or specific food items

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >emotional response
              They don’t have emotions or feel anything moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't it hermit crabs that can literally die of lonelyness, if you have a pair and one goes then the remaining one doesn't live for long.

                Wouldn't that be considered an extremely strong emotional response, so strong in fact that it manifests itself as having a negative impact on overall physical health.

                In other words they might even have stronger feelings than you do :p

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They have no emotions tard. Just because they die without another one doesn't mean shit.
                It can't convey that it has feelings and even if it did, it's too stupid to properly communicate them. So it's a stupid creature that you're humanising and anthropomorphising because you're a troony or a homosexual with no ability to distinguish real from your own psychotic fantasies. Take your meds. A hermit crab is nothing but a stupid animal and it doesn't have complex emotions like humans. They do not have emotions.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not sure if bait but ok I'll bite..

                Interesting indeed, I don't even know where to start adressing your quite concerning rant you might want to get your mental disorders in check not to mention that your views on other living beings says a lot about you that aren't really flattering.

                It does show that they are pretty complex social creatures that can literally die from depression, separation related issues, alienation or call it what you will and that does show that they do feel something I could take a wild guess and say that they might even have a more complex and competent range of emotions than what you have if one would go by your replies.

                Just because something or someone can't speak your language, convey their meaning in a way that you personally understand or just isn't perceptive or experienced enough to notice doesn't mean that they don't have emotions merely that you yourself might lack the necessary skills to grasp what is being conveyed.

                By your logic people that speak languages that you fail to have a working knowledge of somehow lack emotions just because you can't understand them and then you go on to say that all people have emotions why are you contradicting yourself.

                Come on now, have you EVER been around animals O.o

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >an animal dies from a stress response without potential for resolution
                >Is cortisol bad for the body? Is it an evolutionary drive to find mates and safety? Are they dying because the stress response is meant to be halted by an action they can not perform? Could this all happen without thought? No
                >THEY HAVE A RICH INNER WORLD
                This is why you fricks are going extinct and women prefer everything but you. You’d afford welfare to a literal bug.

                it is a bug with the neuron count of your fricking leg

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think that they die from cortisolrelated issues or that they even have cortisol, that is kind of a big assumption don't you think not to mention that you skipped adressing everything else.

                Not that it is any of your concern but on that point you are severely mistaken.

                That was weirdly specific and false.

                You seem quite angry anon, are you sure that you are feeling ok is all well in your life?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Even if the chemical were different (HCH) you get the point. Stop assuming super rich inner worlds because you deviant ghostly cumskins have empathy for a rock and would let it frick your wife. It’s a bug driven thoughtlessly by chemical urges, it has 0 awareness of its life. It’s like a roomba dying of stress when separated from its charging station. Something does not have to perceive anything to respond to it. You can be made a non-conscious actor by selective brain damage. Take your short term memory and a few connections in your auditory and visual cortices and you will respond to the world like you can see but you will say you heard or saw anything, you will be a shred of a mind along for the ride in an animal. Nonhumans except for a few don’t even have that shred. Especially not a bug with the experience of your left leg.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but you will never say
                Yes never, not even in the moment. Could even pain be separated from your mind? Someone just needs to find the wires to cut. The part of your brain that is needed to integrate senses into perception and experience is not just absent in bugs but basically fricking nothing in most mammals.

                And yet you would treat a bug, a rat, and a crow as equals rather than prioritizing the crow that has stronger evidence for actually feeling anything.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They don't feel anything. An automated biological system processes a stimulus and its appropriate reaction, but it does not have the subjective experience of feeling. It feels about as much pain as a keyboard feels you typing on it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they dont feel pain as they have no dermis nor do they gain any biological advantage from it. by the time their carapace is punctured, they are fricked and wouldnt heal from it anyway

      Also they lack nociception

      this

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Plants feel pain and communicate that pain to each other. Should we stop eating salads and just eat dirt instead?

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    While one lion is choking the wildebeest, another is already goring it open.
    Animals have no care for the suffering of other animals. We only care for two reasons.
    One is that God gave us stewardship over all the animals so we can do whatever we want but we should also care for them.
    Second is that an animal that's suffered tastes worse than if it hadn't.
    So yes, it's absolutely okay to boil them alive. They're crayfish and they taste delicious when boiled alive. Just imagine you're boiling the suffering out of them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I can't help but notice that you didn't list empathy

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Having empathy for things without any actual feelings is a mental disorder

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Disagreeing with your moronic take on what does or doesn't have "feelings" isn't the same thing as feeling bad for inanimate objects. Go back to reading about your magic sky king, the adults are talking.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >picture book reader
            >calling xerself an adult

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              sir this is an anime website and you have to be over 18 to post here.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Buddy you can not be calling things mental disorders after spewing religious moronation a post earlier

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            imagine feeling bad for food and then also going bUt fAiTh iN God iS a mEnTaL dIsEaSE. Absolute mong. I will eat one, more chicken thigh today just to mock you.

            Disagreeing with your moronic take on what does or doesn't have "feelings" isn't the same thing as feeling bad for inanimate objects. Go back to reading about your magic sky king, the adults are talking.

            It doesn't matter if it has feelings. It is food and this makes it taste good. morons could be worshipping God but their bird brains suffering from multiple levels of toxo so now you're worshipping the crayfish I boil alive for food. You are beneath me. Thanks for talking, I'll be enjoying some more food now.

            I eat grass fed beef and free range chicken because these taste the best and because it convinces vegetarian girls that I'm still one of good guys :^)
            She'll learn soon enough though that it's all theatre once I'm devouring her pussy. But by then the physical pleasure will outweigh the mental realisation. Stay in your place. Once the walls fall, I'll be eating vegetarians without a second thought. You girls are just food for me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Empathy is part of good stewardship

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine you're such a moron that you believe the israeli god, who also commanded you not to eat crawling animals, by the way. moron.

      But yeah, seafood is delicious

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >midwit talks about something he knows nothing about
        a common occurrence

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    "Consider the Lobster" makes a compelling case that seabugs feel pain or something akin to it. But I still eat meat, y'know?

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lobster boiler here, I don't buy it. There's no attempt to escape or avoid the pot. They just kind of shudder and die.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, they have no fricking idea what's going on. If you were unexpectedly plunged into boiling water, you'd have third degree burns on every inch of your body in a few seconds. If those few seconds were what we judged your intelligence by, there wouldn't be much to see.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you were dropped into the artic ocean right now you would also just shudder and die. You would not struggle nor would you even be able to scream, so I guess you don't feel pain either. Extreme, sudden temperature changes do lots of crazy stuff to nervous systems.

        Humans like all mammals would trash about aimlessly trying to exit the water. Eventually their pain receptors burn out and they'd just give up and accept death. If the lobby doesn't move then it just wanted you to boil it. It was asking for it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >They just kind of shudder and die
          >If the lobby doesn't move then it just wanted you to boil it. It was asking for it.
          >moving the goalpost already

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you were dropped into the artic ocean right now you would also just shudder and die. You would not struggle nor would you even be able to scream, so I guess you don't feel pain either. Extreme, sudden temperature changes do lots of crazy stuff to nervous systems.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're about as moronic as a lobster. They don't even know what a pot is. They don't know what's going on outside their peripheral. They don't have the concepts even.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do crayfish feel pain? Is it okay to boil them alive?

      It's probably orgasmic for them instead of painful. They die in a joyous ecstasy. Think about it. No cold area has them. They love warm water. If no warm water nearby they will form large scale migration to find it. Literally biologically programmed to seek out warm water. The warmer the better. Armor can't get burnt so there was no biological imperative to make hot temperatures painful for them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        H-hot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Crayfish when they're plunged in scolding hot boiling water be like

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >this image
    >crayfish - cray - closet
    >pain - pai - penis - rape
    I guess this is your way of trying to get my attention? You think you're real funny don't you, trying to make fun of me like that? I don't find it funny. You won't be laughing when karma comes for you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I understood that reference

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All animals with a nervous system feel pain. It's a pretty inhumane way to kill them, tbh.

    And crustaceans are smarter than you think. Lobsters live decades and can recognize individual people.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      stop eating animals

      no such thing a "humane" killing

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >stop eating animals
        No.
        >no such thing as a humane death
        Yes there is, and you will not be given one.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Fine, it's a painful and not instantaneous way to kill them. Pedantry is a really effective way to sell your opinion, good job.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >no such thing a "humane" killing
        Morphine and helium ran pretty high on the humane human killings at least.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You've clearly never dealt with livestock of any kind.

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