Do animals have consciousness?

Do animals have consciousness?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Probably but a stripped down version of it. It would be pointless for them to have a human like one. Nature takes the path of least resistance.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yes obviously they have consciousness

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > Cognitive scientists have already calculated the speed of both dog and cat perception.
    >"ArE aNiMaLs CoNsCiOuS ???"
    This is so fricking tiring.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    can they remember and react to information?
    if so then yes
    because if that's not consciousness then what is

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing they think about is human wiener

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Probably, but you cant ever know. Hell you cant know anything is conscious other than yourself. Everyone else could be an automaton with no internal point of experience and only display the outward appearance of consciousness for all you know. OooOooOooooOoOOooo spooky.

    Yes i know thats not helpful

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The world ceases to exist when you close your eyes and you die when you fall asleep

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Male humans dont even have consciousness. What makes you think a dog does?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      50% of females and 30% of males in english speaking culture are not conscious.
      >women be like: you have to give, think of your children
      >look around
      >no kids
      >b***h is not pregnant
      >dump her because she’s a malfunctioning NPC
      >women on the way out be like: you’re giving up on your family!
      Princess syndrome teaches girls to think less and scream more. They never learn self awareness beyond passing the mirror test as a child (even a dog can figure out its reflection even it it doesn’t care about your red dot) and struggle to have it as adults. Boys tend to be beaten at a young age and told to think before speaking which encourages greater awareness and can lead to pseudo-autism.

      This does not happen in russia, however.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >point out lack of male consciousness
        >unconscious male pulls shit directly out of his ass and begins to sperg out some inane paragraph of pseudo-intellectual nothingness
        Like poetry, truly.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some of them do, though obviously much cruder than in a human being. Where the cutoff point between conscious and not lies is probably impossible to define.

    Other than apes, I think parrots and corvids may have the highest level of consciousness. Dogs close behind, though it's harder to tell with them since they're so absurdly attuned to human communication that we may project more on to them than is really going on. Elephants also seem to rank pretty high, though I don't know enough to make a good guess on them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Birds don’t have the same brain structure, it’s not even close, and you don’t have to be conscious to really act like you do.

      It’s possible consciousness is a purely mammalian survival strategy and our brains need a self evaluation loop to cope with being less efficient and more error prone than an archosaur with their smooth and densely packed pallium.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Birds don’t have the same brain structure, it’s not even close
        I am very much aware, but they do display some behavior that appears indicative of consciousness, such as primitive "humor", dancing in time with music, and recreational tool use.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When we learn to talk with whales we're get the first firm evidence of it, for or against

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I will never know for sure
    impossible to tell how any nonhuman entity perceives the world

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    which animals?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Humans aren't even sure of what consciousness is anon

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but they have less rich, interesting consciousness

    Imagine for a second if you were not aware of more than five seconds of the past (and only vaguely), only had a gut feeling about the future, and often lose your train of "thought", which is totally without words and based on visualizations, maybe. Even if something happened a few seconds ago you'll probably forget it and just act on a residual hunch. The most you could say about it all would be HEY, awww, FRICK, and ILLFRICKINGRIPYOURGUTSOUT. That's what it's like to be a dog.

    Now imagine you only get that experience if you're startled or excited and the rest is a complete void, but when you're startled you have a clearer recollection of what was going on earlier. Also you can only say FOOD and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as if you hope someone might listen to your AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAing and eventually figure out what it's about. That's what it's like to be a cat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I wish life would feel like a dream.
      There is this distincive "consciousness" feeling I get when I wake up or start lucid dreaming.
      And it feels unpleasant.

      I once passed out on the bus. It was very pleasant.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Imagine for a second if you were not aware of more than five seconds of the past (and only vaguely)
      This isn't even remotely true for most animals on earth.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Now imagine you only get that experience if you're startled or excited and the rest is a complete void
      I know you are just shitposting out of your ass, but this is very wrong. Cats have similar visual sensitivity to ours and a very slightly faster perceptual processing speed (they see/hear/feel the world about 7% faster than us). A cat has (iirc) about 70 different vocalizations but individuals usually use ~10 of them.
      I mean, I guess it describes a lot of their downtime spend sleeping, but even then they are still going to be phenomenally alert.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    consciousness is an illusion, you don't have it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      maybe you don't

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It just works really differently than in humans but yeah I'm sure of it

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure they're thinking, they display behavior like making decisions and having personal preferences. I do know that animals lack Theory of Mind, which is kind of a hallmark of human intelligence.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      many animals display theory of mind like pigs. look into the subject there is pretty much no cognitive differences beyond anatomical ones that separate humans from dozens of other animals, even if there were why does the fact that we're more "intelligent" mean we aren't animals.
      it's all just self fellating superiority bullshit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I do know that animals lack Theory of Mind
      This is not true. Some snimals are even capable of understanding humans.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's not what Theory of Mind is. If I think, therefore I am, then Theory of Mind is YOU think, therefore YOU are. I have no tangible proof that you are a thinking, sentient creature, but I have Theory of Mind so I can extrapolate from my own consciousness that you too are conscious.

        Animals lack this. It has been studied in apes. No ape that has been taught sign language has ever asked a question to the researchers, because to an ape you may as well be a mobile piece of furniture. They don't realize that you might have your own knowledge.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Uh, moron, animals have done well on false belief tests, even fricking dogs have

          Asking questions requires a specific area of the brain dedicated to producing language, which all animals other than us lack, and only some cetaceans and birds have a very, very primitive likely equivalent to. You can lose your own ability to ask questions but remain conscious with damage to this area. And still like an ape you can ask basic questions like "can i have this" using gestures (that's the only one you can ask, really)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. A very limited form of consciousness in some cases, but one nonetheless.

            >That's not what Theory of Mind is.
            Lol. That's not what a ToM is either you absolute moron. A ToM is the cognitive categorical function leading animals to attribute mental properties to objects. An animal basing its behavior on its (however limited) understanding of the mood of another animal displays the necessary signs to attribute him a ToM.

            it appears my (correct) post has caused some contention
            Stop anthropomorphizing animals. They don't think like you do, a human. When you embrace this fact, you'll get along with animals much better.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Stop anthropomorphizing animals
              Stop committing anthropocentrism.
              >They don't think like you do
              Never said they did, but if they had the sufficient cognitive capabilities they would (mostly) do. Wittgenstein was (also) wrong about this. Having a ToM is not an advanced cogntive function however. All you need is a category for intentionality and a cognitive function that discriminate objects with faces.
              Which is very clearly evidenced when a pet react to a Halloween mask or a dinosaur inflatable costume.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Stop anthropomorphizing animals. They don't think like you do, a human. When you embrace this fact, you'll get along with animals much better.
              This is true but it's also very easy to over-correct, which is what you are doing and is far worse.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I stopped anthropomorphizing animals. They don't think like I do, a human. When I embraced this fact, I got along with animals much better.
              FTFY
              soon as you're ready to have your mind blown a second time you can apply that same concept to your own kind and levelup again

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              That's not what Theory of Mind is. If I think, therefore I am, then Theory of Mind is YOU think, therefore YOU are. I have no tangible proof that you are a thinking, sentient creature, but I have Theory of Mind so I can extrapolate from my own consciousness that you too are conscious.

              Animals lack this. It has been studied in apes. No ape that has been taught sign language has ever asked a question to the researchers, because to an ape you may as well be a mobile piece of furniture. They don't realize that you might have your own knowledge.

              you're really dumb lol fr get laid moron

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. A very limited form of consciousness in some cases, but one nonetheless.

          >That's not what Theory of Mind is.
          Lol. That's not what a ToM is either you absolute moron. A ToM is the cognitive categorical function leading animals to attribute mental properties to objects. An animal basing its behavior on its (however limited) understanding of the mood of another animal displays the necessary signs to attribute him a ToM.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No ape that has been taught sign language has ever asked a question to the researchers, because to an ape you may as well be a mobile piece of furniture. They don't realize that you might have your own knowledge.
          That isn't because they don't realize you have a mind (in a very simple, instinctive way) or even that they believe you know stuff they don't, that's simply because they don't have the required brain power to accomplish a simple mental act like questioning. Same way ~80 IQ subhumans lose the ability to posit hypotheticals.

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