Dinosaurs are NOT real

If you look up any museum they are displaying a "replica" of the fossils, and despite claims to the contrary, the more consistent claim is that dinosaurs are /at best/ just bad science or an invention of the mind.
>dig up big bones of larger animals from the past
>WOW DINOSAUR
>it's actually like 40 different skeletons all mish-mashed together
Now, I wasn't really considering this seriously at all, but then came across that "fossil fuels" is also basically a complete misnomer and oil comes instead from algae and bacteria.

Really I think that they got the science wrong on this bullshit and then just didn't give a fuck because it was making money.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nice thread i didn't read it lol

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're real, now fuck off brainlet

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know about t rex but Wauf told me picrel was 100% impossible because of square cube law. If it was real they would have to have been half underwater like hippos.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a retard
    yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron, you literally got shown a nearly complete dino skeleton that was in the same orientation it was in life and you proceeded to cope and seethe lmaoooooooo
      Where can you go from there?
      Tell me about your theory of the secret society that buries minerals in the shape of bones oriented like fake animals.
      Where is your proof of this secret society that buries these bones?

      >implying Sue is the only dinosaur ever found
      >implying 1 org controls all fossils
      Of all the things to engage in utterly 0 faith debate in, you choose dinosaurs LMAO

      Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
      That is all

      Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
      That is all

      >Well if that's the case you can prove it to me
      [...]

      >Well if that's the case you can prove it to me
      Still 0 proof after all these posts. This is my problem bros. If you are reading this thread, please take note of this.
      >all these posts about a supposedly "scientifically valid" field and there are
      0 sources
      0 documents
      0 means of proving that the fossils are in fact fossils from a certain time period

      Seriously, it should not be hard. Ask a mathfag for a proof and they will give you a PDF and leave. You don't need "institutions of mathematics" to verify that it's real either, or specialized equipment. Obviously Paleontology isn't exactly the same but the fact that NONE of the people defending this have been able to produce any level of REASONABLE proof makes me consider these ideas in the first place.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"science" expect us to believe that this was a real flying animal

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about this fossilized Ankylosaurus then?
    It is more than just bones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That one is not far from a croc. It's hardly a T Rex, is it?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    While i agree the science on the matter is shoddy at best, saying shit like
    >>it's actually like 40 different skeletons all mish-mashed together
    makes you sound like a flat earther

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the new garden gnome flat-earth psyops? Or you are the owner of the creationist museum?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every culture in history has stories of ancient, gigantic reptiles.
    We find shit tons of skeletons that appear to be ancient, gigantic reptiles.
    I dont see the problem.
    Did archaeologists weave complex theories from miniscule information? Yes, thats normal and can safely be discounted as relevant as hollywood.
    Were there ancient, gigantic reptiles during the early days of human history? Going by the early accounts and matching them up perfectly with actual fossils, yes. Yes there were.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yet 'humans' weren't supposed to exist at the same time as dinos, but I don't believe that.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    True, it's all a scam. What you see is some whale skull, crocodile teeth, tiger claws, etc. Paleontology is a scam perpetuated by archeologists, aka grave robbers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >klei

      What language?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Don't question the heliocentric model goy
    >Oy vey, look at these epic dinosaurs bones, it's just like in a movie
    >No you can't question the big bang theory, it's an important theory, that show how everything is a coincidence.
    >You are unimportant stardust
    >You evolved from chimps goys

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Woolly mammoths are always being found, so something like this is not is dispute.
    But these other prehistoric animals? Why are the discoveries supposedly so few and far between if they were roaming the whole earth? If bone fossilises into stone like materials, we should be finding loads?
    Tell me what TF is going on...

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dinosaurs were the garden gnomes of the animal kingdom
    Except their holocaust actually happened

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with absolutist takes like yours, is that your ideas will never fit 100%

    Paleontology is definitely Nigerian prince tier bullshit, but that doesn't meant dinosaurs are fake. It just means that weaselly retards desperate to justify the resources spent on their existing, will make up bullshit to do that.

    There are tons of examples of things that they extrapolated from a single bone fragment, but there are also skeletons that were complete enough to compare to other largely complete skeletons to infer a complete one.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sauce on complete skeletons?

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're a retard

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You might not want to hear it, but the flatties are correct. It's almost impossible to wake up the goycattle.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Memeflag
      >Implying that flat Earth shit isn't well poisoning

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, I think that is used as a means to "poison the well" or basically tag discussions as "forbidden" to normalfags.
        >what do you mean anon
        Well, whenever you see a thread like this one or something that questions the validity of institutions, not necessarily all of the process but just the institutions, museums, universities, government agencies, etc., then you tend to have someone come around and say "yes that's true and ALSO FLAT EARTH!"
        >ok so what
        Meaning that most people coming across the conversation will simply disregard it because they have been taught to disregard topics associated with such things.
        So personally I think it's fucking dumb.
        [...]
        Well if that's the case you can prove it to me.

        Bet you think the Earth is flat too.

        >be me, OP
        >call flat earth out as well poisoning early in the thread
        >FLAT EARTH?
        Lol these well poisoners are OBSESSED. (about not discussing how dinosaurs are a sham)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Gogo-gaga CiA pSY oP mEmE flAg

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    90 some percent of all the bones in a museum are fake

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      0 literal dinosaur "bones" exist at all, retard, they transition into minerals that are very delicate and have to be replicated with plaster molds.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah they aren’t even that, retard. They’re fake as in FOAM

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No shit they don't display the minerals in a museum, literally every exhibit tells u this, holy fuck, you must just be a time-wasting shill

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    who makes these gay threads

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      who makes gay posts like yours lmao. imagine you are a lurker and they read your post.
      >who makes these gay threads
      Bro make a better fucking post you lazy retard. At least a lurker will kek at me making retarded fun posts whereas yours is just trash.

      >Finding dinosaurs like that are very rare
      no, not really. largely complete skeletons are more rare than, say, 1 random dino bone, sure, but there are tons of largely complete diono skeletons.
      [...]
      >When did I say anything about "how they find the bones"?
      right here, retard
      >"it's actually like 40 different skeletons all mish-mashed together"
      That implies they aren't arranged properly when found.

      >right here, retard
      Oh ok, so when I asked about when I said something previously, that was when I had actually said it, after the fact. That's moron logic you stupid moron.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"where did I say that???"
        >*gets shown where he said it*
        >"ummm...... uhhhhhh...... well you're a moron, ha!"

        cope

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Where did I say "oranges are better than apples"?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"where did I say that???"
            >*gets shown where he said it*
            >"ummm...... uhhhhhh...... well you're a moron, ha!"

            cope

            >OMG RIGHT THERE YOU SAID IT
            >I SEARCHED THAT TEXT AND THERE IT IS
            Lol dumb moron. You copied my insult too. Just pathetic really.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a very important thread. Dinosaurs are a hoax. They were invented to give credibility to the evolution hoax pushed by freemason Charles Darwin. They needed to create a history of millions of years in order for creatures to be able to 'evolve'. The bigger question is why, why create these deceptions? My position is that it was done to hide the existence of intelligent design. I don't buy in to organised religion either btw, but we did not evolve from monkeys and there was no such thing as the big bang. This information is extremely difficult for normal people to process.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I think it's the galaxy brain inversion:
      Validate Darwin to ensure that people don't talk about the Earth and instead talk about the "big bang" off out in ???

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    pic rel is obviously a giraffe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually the skeleton of a rabbi in the "donation" pose, idiot.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        he's obviously grasping a poop clump.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >challah
          "Add an extra c in front because it will be free"
          Ridiculous. You know the "c" isn't actually free because it ends up costing extra ink? How much have the gnomish people suffered in ink costs having to print these extra characters?

          You're a retard

          Wow great post gay.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dinosaurs were secretly the first Merchants and the reason that their teeth and mouths were so big was that back before money was invented all the food was free
        it actually makes sense

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    definetely something shady going on with dinosaur fossils. bummed me out when i found out that museum skeletons were replicas, and sometimes only derived form like 3 small bones. only few t-rex bones have ever been discovered if i remember correctly. also it is vey small circle of archeologists who get to do excavasion for dinasaur bones. and if you dont agree with them you get cast out. then again it would be colossal undertaking to fabricate all that and what would be the motivation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man, you should research the fossil wars in the beginning of paleontology. They most certainly would make shit up if it meant they got a better dino than their competitor. Iguanadon was the poster child of this. It's always been a cutthroat profession pushed by people with an ideology. Even today you have the rift between robert bakker and jack horner about whether or not certain "new" species were actually just juveniles of known species. No one knows anything but I'm gonna side with jack horner, aka the one who doesn't name dinosaurs after harry potter.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dinosaurs have been described by every ancient culture, you can find their bones yourself ask Mark Armittage he found several triceratops and determined they were only a few thousands years old, not tens of millions

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have always suspected that surface and cave fossils used to be much more plentiful but were found, excavated, played with/ground to magic powder and lost by primitive man who based the worldwide concept of “dragons” on these finds.
      Hell, lots and lots of important fossils almost certainly were lost in the Victorian dinosaur boom when they were excavating by blasting whole fossil sites to gravel with explosives.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you people refuse to do even a cursory bit of research before making a retarded schizo thread?
    They don't find the bones in a big random pile like a new lego set, you fucking moron.
    In most cases, the literally find the bones in the same orientation they were in the living animal.
    Also, flora has always dwarfed fauna in total biomass so no fucking shit "fossil fuels" are largely from flora.
    Did you really think that was a secret?
    KYS retard.
    YOU are the well poisoner for associating political dissidents with retardation like dinosaur-denial.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about? Finding dinosaurs like that are very rare. You have to think they've had millions of years to settle, move around with the plates, have rockslides or floods, any number of contributing factors. They might not be in a pile like your strawman but they're hardly ever articulated. Life isn't like the beginning of jurassic park.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Finding dinosaurs like that are very rare
        no, not really. largely complete skeletons are more rare than, say, 1 random dino bone, sure, but there are tons of largely complete diono skeletons.

        When did I say anything about "how they find the bones"?
        If it's made up then all of it is made up, "finding the bones" would be just another story.
        [...]
        Source?
        [...]
        >then again it would be colossal undertaking to fabricate all that
        Not really. How would you disprove that they're replicas? Smash them on the ground and risk that it's real? Nope.

        >When did I say anything about "how they find the bones"?
        right here, retard
        >"it's actually like 40 different skeletons all mish-mashed together"
        That implies they aren't arranged properly when found.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, not really.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said, we have found tons of largely complete skeletons that were generally oriented as they were in life.
            The fact that fragmented skeletons ALSO exist in no way shape or from nullifies the previous fact.
            Cope.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >largely complete
              >250/380
              >this is the best example

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this is the best example
                It isn't though u fucking retard, we have found many skeletons far more complete than Sue

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you say so, dude.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for sourcing my own dunk on you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                In what way does that dunk on me? Did you miss the exceedingly rare to find a dino missing only 15% of its bones? What about the others? Fact remains every fucking fossil skeleton you see is plaster or composed of bones of several individuals. You're talking about finding articulated skeletons in the rock as if that's the way it always happens but it doesn't. Not even fucking close.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >exceedingly rare
                compared to what? we've still found hundreds lmao.
                >Fact remains every fucking fossil skeleton you see is plaster
                Yea no fucking shit, bones don't last 65 million years. The calcium is replaced with other minerals.
                >You're talking about finding articulated skeletons in the rock as if that's the way it always happens but it doesn't
                Never said "always" but its happened hundreds of times lmaoooo

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just shut up, you fucking retard. You're full of shit and lying. Thanks for skipping the part where they're made from several individuals. You might get a head in one area, a leg in another, some teeth somewhere else and you put em together to get a dinosaur. Prove to me how fucking common it is. I've sourced a few sources, come up with your fucking own about how many articulated skeletons we find. I'll be waiting. Until then, fuck yourself.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                From this, are we meant to extrapolate that there were fuck all dinos noncing about, and that they all had missing bones?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, just that fossilization is rare and there's a lot of ground we haven't looked under yet.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >largely complete
              >250/380
              >this is the best example

              >also you are not allowed to perform any tests or checks on the 250 bones without us doing them and we are the only ones allowed to see the tests and checks being done
              >you can see the paperwork which says we are legit though

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying Sue is the only dinosaur ever found
                >implying 1 org controls all fossils
                Of all the things to engage in utterly 0 faith debate in, you choose dinosaurs LMAO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You could simply post sources that disprove my claims. Should be easy, since it's a "rigorous" scientific field or whatever. I never have this problem with mathfags.
                >how it goes in math
                "Hey mathfags, I think this is the case"
                >actually it's not, source is here
                "Oh, okay, thanks."

                >how it goes in Palentology
                "Hey paleofags, why does this all seem fake?"
                >you believe in flat earth too huh?
                "What? Dude answer the question"
                >yeah you don't think organizations are valid?
                >I'm not talking about this

                LOL

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron, you literally got shown a nearly complete dino skeleton that was in the same orientation it was in life and you proceeded to cope and seethe lmaoooooooo
                Where can you go from there?
                Tell me about your theory of the secret society that buries minerals in the shape of bones oriented like fake animals.
                Where is your proof of this secret society that buries these bones?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you literally got shown a nearly complete dino skeleton that was in the same orientation it was in life******
                *according to a replica
                **that only a few people from certain institutions are allowed to "verify"
                ***and that have no sources outside of the "verification" of the institution
                So you are saying I must trust the institution as opposed to getting facts myself. Lol.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When did I say anything about "how they find the bones"?
      If it's made up then all of it is made up, "finding the bones" would be just another story.

      Dinosaurs have been described by every ancient culture, you can find their bones yourself ask Mark Armittage he found several triceratops and determined they were only a few thousands years old, not tens of millions

      Source?

      definetely something shady going on with dinosaur fossils. bummed me out when i found out that museum skeletons were replicas, and sometimes only derived form like 3 small bones. only few t-rex bones have ever been discovered if i remember correctly. also it is vey small circle of archeologists who get to do excavasion for dinasaur bones. and if you dont agree with them you get cast out. then again it would be colossal undertaking to fabricate all that and what would be the motivation.

      >then again it would be colossal undertaking to fabricate all that
      Not really. How would you disprove that they're replicas? Smash them on the ground and risk that it's real? Nope.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        they are replicas meaning they are plaster or whatever casts from real bones and real bones are kept away from public. again only small circle gets to excavate and inspect them later.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          WHO gets to inspect the bones?
          >the community you know so well

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          not a small circle. but paleontology is fucking hard. imagine that you need to be a doctor and you will be paid with a scorching day in the sun excavating rare bones without margin of error.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >just trust us goy
          >give us money to keep the industry alive

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >just trust us goy
          >give us money to keep the industry alive

          QUI controlle les fossiles?

          This is the new garden gnome flat-earth psyops? Or you are the owner of the creationist museum?

          Goyim's favorite thing
          >gnomish controlled institution prints "certified" pieces of paper for goys to discuss
          >literally happy goys forever

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry haha, I'm just not gonna believe in dinosaurs.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they display a casting made from the fossils because if they display the real bones then Chinese tourists will sneak in with a cheese grater and shave off hunks of dinosaur bone to make magic penis widening pills and breast expansion poultices.
    cant have anything nice

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is true but also bones are very heavy. There's no way they could be displayed as a complete skeleton with those tiny metal connectors.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, you mean those metal things are not part of the skeleton??

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The bones would have also been too heavy to withstand their own weight when the dinosaur was alive. If a t-rex were to just merely stand there, it's fucking legs would break under its own weight.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't know that. It depends on the musculature. Muscles are pretty strong. Look at our thighs. Heaviest bone in the body, moving constantly for 70 years. It's cause our ass muscles are so big.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The bones are heavy now because they’ve been mineralized in the fossilization process and are now big lumps of stone, but when they were alive they would have been similar to a giant ostrich.
          T-rex is ostensibly pushing the limits of bipedal body structure but according to ~~*computer modeling*~~ he could have walked at a moderate pace of maybe 30 mph, but wouldn’t have been able to run after reaching adult size.
          In 10 years they’ll probably have a new theory about how the Tyrannosaurus was the first Black man and thus we wuz Raxes an sheit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't even just bones which would be dense. They are mineralized. Meaning made of stone lol.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well yeah. In that respect I just meant dinosaur bones in layman's terms. I know how fossilization works and that they are basically big rocks in the shape of bones. But that's not always the case either cause now you have the chinese saying they found fossilized soft tissue. As a rule, I don't believe any dinosaur that comes from china but if that's true, it changes everything.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >dinos are fake
    Duhh how many Juarassic park films are there? if they were not real there would be no films

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of the bones are found encased in stone, it's not like they find a fucking pile of them and think they belong to the same animal you fucking lunatic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They find bones, bone fragments and pieces of bones from lots of different dinosaurs and reconstruct them based on similarities to other fossils, biomechanical extrapolations, and personal prejudices of the investigator.
      many of the famous dinosaurs have “changed” over the past 10, 20, 30 years as new evidence comes to light and new theories are refined.
      For example, they recently determined that spinosaurus had tiny little cuck legs and probably couldn’t even climb out of the water, he went from a trex spine snapping giant who was phone moron to a moron who sat in a gay little pond eating little fish like a sad lanky homo.
      Wauf has lots of dinosaur threads in between the “what is this can I fuck it?” generals

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
    That is all

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      1. Sue was still missing bones
      2. They used bones from other dinosaurs to complete it
      3. The head you see here isn't real, the real head is upstairs
      t. someone who's been to the field museum

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Aww shit, forgot pic

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bet you think the Earth is flat too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cant argue the fact that dinosaur skeletons are fake
      >i BeT YoU ThInK EaRtH iS fLaT
      Why are dinofags like this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, I think that is used as a means to "poison the well" or basically tag discussions as "forbidden" to normalfags.
      >what do you mean anon
      Well, whenever you see a thread like this one or something that questions the validity of institutions, not necessarily all of the process but just the institutions, museums, universities, government agencies, etc., then you tend to have someone come around and say "yes that's true and ALSO FLAT EARTH!"
      >ok so what
      Meaning that most people coming across the conversation will simply disregard it because they have been taught to disregard topics associated with such things.
      So personally I think it's fucking dumb.

      a lot of the bones are found encased in stone, it's not like they find a fucking pile of them and think they belong to the same animal you fucking lunatic

      Well if that's the case you can prove it to me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Well if that's the case you can prove it to me

        Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
        That is all

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
          That is all

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/tyrannosaurus-rex-sue-s-life-sized-replica-will-be-part-of-dinosaur-themed-campaign-in-topeka-in-2022/ar-AARgQJ1
          >this replica will prove OP wrong
          ????????

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            try harder fag

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Look up Sue the t-rex and you'll see how wrong your theory is
              That is all

              https://www.grunge.com/245975/the-tragic-real-life-story-of-sue-the-t-rex/
              >CONFISCATED BY THE FBI
              Lmao wow so real

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's the newer version of "you probably believe the moon landing is fake, too."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bet you think we went to the moon

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bet you think the Earth is flat too.

        Yeah that's another one. You can't question the validity of NASA without someone coming around to say
        >THE REPTILIAN FLAT MOON AM I RIGHT MY FELLOW SCHIZOPHRENICS
        in an attempt to ruin the conversation.
        >but why do you think that
        I think that people have an interest in protecting institutions over ideas.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          ... so I was right and you do think Earth is flat?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, I think that is used as a means to "poison the well" or basically tag discussions as "forbidden" to normalfags.
            >what do you mean anon
            Well, whenever you see a thread like this one or something that questions the validity of institutions, not necessarily all of the process but just the institutions, museums, universities, government agencies, etc., then you tend to have someone come around and say "yes that's true and ALSO FLAT EARTH!"
            >ok so what
            Meaning that most people coming across the conversation will simply disregard it because they have been taught to disregard topics associated with such things.
            So personally I think it's fucking dumb.
            [...]
            Well if that's the case you can prove it to me.

            You suck at reading.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now you’re using ellipses for a pause effect that doesn’t work over text. Instead you look like a fucking clown as well as an idiot.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              wewuz eclipses and sheit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What a fucking moron you are. The earth is clearly a Dyson Sphere.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What’s it like to go into a thread full of people being dumb on purpose and actually be the biggest retard? Is there a little voice in your head telling you to have a nice day?

    • 2 months ago
      SAGE

      and your ancestor is a ambitious fish?

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