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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's called having wealth, homosexual.
    >lol just be a medieval peasant who eats bread instead of meat
    Yeah no.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tell that to the rabbits, gophers, groundhogs, and baby deer that your train threshers kill by the thousands every year at harvest time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mice are also killed in the production of hay and silage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ummmm but that’s different because uh uh UHHH it just is ok??!!!

      It's called having wealth, homosexual.
      >lol just be a medieval peasant who eats bread instead of meat
      Yeah no.

      Even “medieval peasants” regularly ate hare and deer and what not

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why don't you eat the grass yourself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s wheat.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >vegan astroturfing thread #9517

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bitching about morality and animals is a purely RELIGIOUS talking point. Animals are not naturally moral agents. Naturally they are resources and only humans are important, for making more humans and supporting existing ones. In order to have rationally consistent morals beyond this simple instinct to survive and reproduce, you must develop a delusional extra-natural truth. A god or spirits.

    So tell us, tranimal worshipers, from which scripture do you preach this animal souls bullshit from? Chickens are just a noisy, wiggly resource. Meat plants that bear eggs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

      non delusional people only care about zoonoses risk, CVD caused by prime beef overconsumption, and resource efficiency. the animals can “suffer” for all we care because they dont have minds to experience suffering. they arent human. and if they did they wouldnt be relevant anyways unless they fought for their own rights. but because they dont, they are not relevant. just objects. property.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

      non delusional people only care about zoonoses risk, CVD caused by prime beef overconsumption, and resource efficiency. the animals can “suffer” for all we care because they dont have minds to experience suffering. they arent human. and if they did they wouldnt be relevant anyways unless they fought for their own rights. but because they dont, they are not relevant. just objects. property.

      Veganism is definitely stupid, but so is roleplaying anime villain speeches about how you're a douchebag.
      There's a middle ground between being a vegan pussy and whatever chuuni shit you guys are saying. It's honestly sort of embarrassing. We all know you two don't actually think that shit, and that's for the best because the kind of person who does believe that shit is a Chinese level bug psychopath.
      You can eat meat without talking like Sephiroth and pretending to be a supervillain, goddamn.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Remember that this is Wauf and a lot of this performative combativeness is how you get attention but yes they get carried away with it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >six million anime references no one understands + racist against the chinese
        Doesn't "china level bug psychopath" just mean "intelligent"?
        >china: less emissions and environmental destruction per capita than america, majority against eating dog meat and consider it a manifestation of residual maoist contrarianism, redpilled on gays and trannies, racially homogenous

        >america: pig torture capitol of earth, shot all their wolves and leveled all their forests so they could larp as cowboys, actively shooting coyotes to protect an invasive species (cats), actively fighting against efforts to ban a dangerous dog breed that kills 3x more people than all other dogs combined, driven more species to extinction worldwide than the residual maoist TCM craze could given 2 centuries, cuts the tips off their sons dicks without anesthesia because in theory if they grew up to be an amoral bawd who refused to use condoms they would transmit fewer STDs, all gay/trans, mutts

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          china has notoriously bad animal welfare laws dude, you’re going to lose this argument if you’re trying to champion them as caretakers of their environment

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can sympathize with vegetarians to a certain extent. The idea that if you can avoid killing to maintain your diet, you should. Alright. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but I can at least consider it a legitimate opinion that I can't naysay. Personally, I like to keep in mind that despite our intellects distinguishing us, we humans are still ultimately animals as well and it's fine for me to be an omnivore without crying about it like a pussy.
    That being said, yeah, I really wish we could restrain some of the really disgusting hellscape shit the meat industry does. I'm fine with eating meat because in my mind the transaction between man and beast should be something like "I will guarantee you live a safe and happy life, and in exchange I will cut that life a little short for food."
    Sounds fair.
    Right now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. Eating meat is fine, but I don't believe we need to hellmax and torture the animals for maximum productivity. If meat needs to be more expensive in exchange for limiting the cruelty of the industry, so be it.
    Being a vegan on the other hand is just performative and moronic. There's no possible issue with eating cheese, eggs, and drinking milk.
    You can say you won't monetarily support a torture industry, fine, then just buy some more ethical products. You can't eat meat without participating in killing something, but you can definitely eat cheese without killing something. The idea that keeping animals for their produce is "exploitation" is just an absurd idea. Communism applied to anthropomorphized animals, so two childish and moronic ideas packed into one. A chicken isn't going to sob and freak out because you harvested a non-fertile egg, goddamn.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you can definitely eat cheese without killing something
      Hypothetically, yes, but realistically, no.
      >A chicken isn't going to sob and freak out because you harvested a non-fertile egg, goddamn.
      Of course not. The female chickens aren’t the victims. Even if you have backyard chickens you paid a fee to have the male chicks culled. And even the female chickens are culled when they stop laying eggs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I won't say you're wrong, but notice that you're b***hing about the industry, not the principle of the matter.
        A vegetarian can make an argument about how eating meat is always wrong, in principle.
        A vegan on the other hand?
        Only complaining about the industry.
        You can be against the industry and also not be a vegan. So what the frick is the actual GOOD argument for veganism?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hens wouldn’t naturally lay 300 or more eggs a year, we have bred them to do so. Wild red jungle fowl only produce around 10 - 15 eggs a year and will lay in clutches, rather than producing an egg almost every day. This means we have bred these hens to produce up to 30 times more eggs than they are naturally designed to do so.

          This is very unhealthy for them, since it depletes a lot of vitamins and minerals, including calcium, which is taken from their bodies to produce the egg shell. This why osteoporosis and broken bones are such a huge issue within commercial egg farms.

          However, this loss of nutrients can also have an impact on backyard hens, with egg binding being an issue where an egg becomes physically stuck inside a hen, which can ultimately lead to her death.

          One of the best ways to protect hens from nutrient deficiencies and health problems is to feed their eggs back to them.

          Other health complications exacerbated by a hen’s excessive egg production, include egg yolk peritonitis, where the yolk of the egg gets stuck in her body and becomes infected by bacteria, such as E-coli. When peritonitis becomes widespread, it almost always leads to death. Egg laying hens will also suffer from prolapses, where the cloaca, the area of the body where the egg comes out, is pushed outside of her body.

          Hens will often eat their eggs themselves, without their owners having to break the eggs or specifically feeding them back to them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            youre still b***hing about industry
            and we bred hens to do this before industry was even invented

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Again, I can't disagree with what you're saying. That's all right. But it's the meat industry's evil, not an implicit moral good of the diet.
              As I've said, I'm not a vegetarian but I think they have a good moral argument. I just don't think that vegans do. I'll give you an allegory to demonstrate how I feel.
              Imagine you're the type of person who likes to order pizzas. You order 4 pizzas every week, even.
              One day, someone tells you that you should stop ordering pizza because every time you do an eskimo man slam dunks a baby seal into a wood chipper.
              End allegory.
              You're telling me that by participating in the meat-eating industry I'm supporting the eskimo slam dunking a baby seal into a wood chipper.
              I'm saying that I can eat the pizza while not letting the fact that some eskimos are psychotic be my own personal fault. I agree that they're correlated, but they should be uncorrelated and there's still an easily foreseeable realm where I can eat guilt free pizza.
              Also, I smoked a bunch of pot between that post and this one.

              Why is being against the dairy and egg industries not a good reason to be vegan? Is being against the pug industry not a good reason to avoid buying a pug?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can be vegan for literally any reason. It's a personal diet choice, you don't have to justify it to anyone.
                Now if you try to preach that being vegan is inherently more moral than other diets? You're wrong and also moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When did I say ‘inherently’?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, I can't disagree with what you're saying. That's all right. But it's the meat industry's evil, not an implicit moral good of the diet.
            As I've said, I'm not a vegetarian but I think they have a good moral argument. I just don't think that vegans do. I'll give you an allegory to demonstrate how I feel.
            Imagine you're the type of person who likes to order pizzas. You order 4 pizzas every week, even.
            One day, someone tells you that you should stop ordering pizza because every time you do an eskimo man slam dunks a baby seal into a wood chipper.
            End allegory.
            You're telling me that by participating in the meat-eating industry I'm supporting the eskimo slam dunking a baby seal into a wood chipper.
            I'm saying that I can eat the pizza while not letting the fact that some eskimos are psychotic be my own personal fault. I agree that they're correlated, but they should be uncorrelated and there's still an easily foreseeable realm where I can eat guilt free pizza.
            Also, I smoked a bunch of pot between that post and this one.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              most eskimos are in fact psychotic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Communism applied to anthropomorphized animals, so two childish and moronic ideas packed into one.
      You hit the nail on the head, yes. No surprise they’re often followers of both.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    DannyElfmanGuy

    I would be vegan if I was capable but I can’t due to health issues. The slaughter industry is awful and huge liars that don’t follow laws.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We are heterotrophs. Everything we consume (aside from the handful of trace minerals we need to survive) either is or was at some point alive. The same can be said of absolutely every single thing on the planet that can be considered an animal, and quite a few things that arent, too.
    Suffering is part of existence, and we all have to inflict some set amount to continue existing, the only difference is in how many layers of abstraction you want to hide yours under.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Plants don’t care.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Top is natural bottom is bullshit.
    We are supposed to be on top of the food chain.
    We are NOT supposed to eat processed seeds. Let birds eat seeds then we can eat the birds and their eggs.
    Embrace nature and our domesticated animal friends. We domesticated them for a reason. Milk and eggs are natures steroids.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You get hundreds of pounds of meat from one cow and the bones can be used to make broth.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's why there's a reason why people buy meat. Do you think that people buy meat for no reason, just to throw it into garbage right after buying it and without eating it? By your own definition it's not murder unless you're wasting the food.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do you think that people buy meat for no reason, just to throw it into garbage right after buying it and without eating it?
      holy strawman lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You could as well say that vegans buy food for bad enough reasons and that also causes plants to die.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >uhm plants can le feel pain and le scream!
          it's not the gotcha you think it is

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why not? If the vegetarian argument is based on ethics, then why are some forms of life more valuable than others? If it is immoral to boil a lobster alive but not spinach, and both can feel pain, why the distinction?
            The fact is life is a web of energy transfer built on suffering and death, and there's no escape unless you want to make yourself photosynthetic.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gluten is bad for you

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meat eating is inevitable but that doesn't mean we shouldn't produce less. Your big mac SHOULD be made our of bugs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the make it out of shrimp and you got a deal

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You could say blob fish and it would still be a better cut of meat than what you're getting at McDonald's. So long as it tastes like it's full of salt and fat I'm happy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anybody who eats bugs should be euthanized

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've always been told that livestock are raised on inedible fodder grown on land that can't support anything substantial for humans, it's making use of otherwise useless land

    I've also been told that there's more than enough food for the entire world and that it's just a matter of getting it where it needs to be, so we need to focus not on veganism but transportation and infrastructure

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You've been told correctly, both of these things are true. 🙂

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we don’t need anymore overpopulation

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the reason is that meat tastes good. if i could only eat plant based slop then eating would become an unpleasant chore rather than something enjoyable that i look forward to

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spicy sweet chili Doritos are vegan.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vegans are totally healthy bro just eat this gross processed crap

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you say that and then go to town on hotpockets, quit larping

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Speak for yourself shitstain.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another low effort veganoid bait thread that will get 300 replies
    Is it worth reading so far?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    4804278
    >screeching over vegans
    Other way around champ.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why it gotta
    Not reading the rest.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The actual solution
    >Depopulate
    Humans have an abnormal population density for their size
    Every single meat eating animal has an astronomically low population density. Something like 0.001 Individual for Square Mile
    Meanwhile Humans in New York have a crazy density like 56,000 individual per square mile
    This is unsustainable for the earth that is limited on resources and everyday third worlders keep on breeding like rats and cutting down wilderness to build their own homes.
    Meat farms are inhuman and overcrowded because otherwise the market wont keep up with the demand and billions of people will be meat deprived and become malnourished
    I suggest that all countries on earth enforce China's two child policy
    and that no woman can have more than two kids in her lifetime with the exceptions of child mortality

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      white countries already breed under replacement.

      total halt to all immigration and foreign aid = automatic global 1 child policy, no dystopia required.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. If you want to crack down on overpopulation, the third world is what needs to be focused on. The fact that India and China already have populations that number a billion is absolutely ludicrous.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Death of a person is murder. A cow is not a person. They are destroyed or harvested but not murdered.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know all this vegan cope is shit because of the simple fact that as soon as lab grown meat comes out and is widespread we'll suddenly see the vast majority of these "veganism is actually healthy" go away except in crystal using hippies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lab meat will never be viable, just like solar or wind, unless you break the laws of physics

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >planes will never fly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think you'll need safety scissors at the arts and crafts table.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the other two people should simply not exist. you could say billions must die.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did you get banned from Wauf again ?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be more accurate alter the bottom half so the people have very little or extremely thin hair.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    crop fields kill uncountable animals, why the double standards? the lack of b12 in vegans makes them moronic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      https://i.imgur.com/CCf1WKj.jpeg

      Humans do eat it but most of it is fed to livestock.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What “worldwide” does isnt inherent to eating meat. You say eat grass fed not starve. But vegans are too b12 deficient for reason. You are a slave race.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What does this reply even mean? I don’t see a coherent argument here.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would rather become a skeleton than a Chinaman.
    Verification not required.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the other two people should simply not exist. you could say billions must die.

      So true.

      Well that's not necessarily true. Humans have been eating mostly grains and vegetables for the vast majority of history. General health goes down when things like meat and fruits are unavailable sure, but a delayed shipment on quinoa or whatever isn't gonna kill anybody.

      > Humans have been eating mostly grains and vegetables for the vast majority of history.
      Source? As far as I know we’ve ate a healthy mix of everything for most of the time “humans” have been around

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but he said history, not prehistory. After agriculture become a common practice, it's been pretty well known that the lower castes (most people) had poorer mainly grain filled diets when compared to our prehistoric hunter gatherer ancestors. This can be seen in how our stature shifted to be shorter (something that's only recently shot back up) and by how much of a religious and historic significance bread or rice or corn has in any society. History has been fueled by grains.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is just a diet choice that is based purely on personal preference and emotions regarding the concept of eating animals and animal products. If the idea of eating animals and animal products upsets you and makes you feel icky, you can go vegan. Assuming you live in the west you're privileged enough that you can make that choice.
    But to pretend that veganism is objectively the most moral position to take is incorrect, to put it bluntly, by every measure.
    >If everyone went vegan-
    Not everyone can go vegan. Some people have allergies and natural deficiencies that force them to rely on animal products to get everything they need to be healthy. Not to mention that there are entire communities across the world that rely on animal products just to survive and there is absolutely 0 way you could ever get them to stop.
    >Ok well not them- but if everyone in the west who hasn't got allergies went vegan then-!
    Then what? Animal agriculture would still exist to support the people who couldn't so what's the point?
    The issue is the overconsumption of meat, from an animal welfare perspective, an environmentalist perspective as well as a health perspective. The healthiest way to live is to limit meat consumption to a few times a week, and buy locally.
    But vegans are such insane narcissists that there isn't an in-between for them, there CAN'T be because then everything they've sacrificed and all the people they pissed off was all for nothing. So they keep pushing and keep lying and keep coping and all they're doing is pissing off more and more people.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    next they’ll say just eat dirt directly, the whole point is outsourcing my calorie production, i don’t care if it’s 1 level of outsourcing or 2

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eating dirt? That's so unethical, think of all the microorganisms that could eat that dirt, you're basically letting all of them starve! You should be getting all of your nutrients directly from the sun.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another screeching over vegans thread
    see you at the bump limit

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder vegans focus on cows because they have no point

    They say “the meat industry” with massive incorrect generalizations because they have no point

    There is NO RATIONAL REASON TO BE VEGAN
    The rationality is a facade that doesnt hold up. Veganism is a religion. Its also called jainism, with the hard parts like not being a compulsively jerking off drug addicted consoomer, cut out.

    t. feeds chickens grass clippings and kitchen scraps

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can chickens actually get considerable nutrients from grass? I always assumed they needed to eat soft shoots, seeds, bugs, etc. Shit with more readily available nutrients.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on how tough the grass is. Their cecum can actually ferment it a bit if the pieces are small enough, but they aren’t getting ruminant-levels of nutrition out of it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can chickens actually get considerable nutrients from grass? I always assumed they needed to eat soft shoots, seeds, bugs, etc. Shit with more readily available nutrients.

          Meant add that you’ve got the right idea; tough plants are only a minor source of nutrients.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Correct. They are religious nuts who play pretend intellectual to satisfy their narcissism.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The point is ending animal abuse

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the point is [i am a pseudo religious nut who ascribes excessive moral value to all animals but i am in fact a virtue signaling coward who is afraid to justify his arbitrary morals by adhering to a real religion]
        With no god above only man and man’s has moral value, by the order of natural selection
        You must be vegan for religious reasons or you only have an opinion not a moral position
        There is no such thing as morality without religion. Only natural selection.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          True. No god to say otherwise = its a simple fact that i am maximally fit by eating meat. I will live longer and stay in peak condition for longer with less effort and be more robust in any climate and any economy.

          One shipping halt and vegans outside of self sustaining jain temples and subtropical hippy communes either stop being vegan or starve

          Vegans MUST justify their position with a religion that gives animals spiritual value. Without that they are just resources my species uses. Chickens are food. Dogs are second class citizens.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well that's not necessarily true. Humans have been eating mostly grains and vegetables for the vast majority of history. General health goes down when things like meat and fruits are unavailable sure, but a delayed shipment on quinoa or whatever isn't gonna kill anybody.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not true humans have eaten red meat longer than anything else. The vast majority of human history included tens of thousands of years, with many of them being an ice age where the most successful hunted megafauna as thier primary livlihood.
              The mammoth is red meat just like a cow.

              Eventualy the megafauna were wiped out, and man domesticated a surviving red meat to replace it, the auroch. The cow has been part of humanity and the best civilizations since before 6,000 bc. Basicly since the last megafauna ran out. Mesopotamia and earliest recorded farmers raised cows.
              This provided the red meat replacement humans lived on for thousands of years hunting megafauna and were evolved to needing.

              To eat and drink milk you have to keep cows pregnant or they stop producing milk. So you get an excess of male offspring that must be killed anyways. Milk and egg production is all about killing at least half of the population early on since you just want the females.

              You have to go before megafauna ice age times to ape ancestors to get to a time humans mainly ate plants. Humans began eating plants because it was cheaper and stretched resources as populations got larger.
              The selfish elite would stretch this further depriving others of the best meat so they had more for themselves.
              Eating grain was cope. Grain was originaly grown to feed animals and make brews of beer to go with steaks.
              As humans started to live in unnatural density they began eating the animal feed and found they could sustain a larger population on it, and it was selectively bred for higher calories.
              But more of human history was spent as megafauna hunting red meat eaters than as grain farmers.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no such thing as morality without religion. Only natural selection.
          You don't need a "religion" to have a philosophy, and the moment you start trying to qualify it otherwise is the very moment you start playing fast and loose with the definition of "religion". You don't need to say dumb shit to dunk on vegans anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But your image does agree that cows are inefficient compared to other potential sources of meat. So even if you're not vegan you should be able to come to a consensus on that and look for alternative livestock to feed humanity. only obstacle is traditionalist morons who can't accept change.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cows are inefficient compared to other potential sources of meat.
        Not that anon, but not really. Cows are very efficient at turning inedible food and land into tasty, nutritious and calorically dense meat and milk.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally every single thing cows can live on is also digestible to more efficient livestock. There's no actual reason to farm them - they are a luxury product, not a staple. People eat them because cattle have historically been one of the currencies of nobility and they feel manlier and more successful with steak on their plate. Way back when, a single bovine represented years of hard labor or a single great feast so the cow was a meaningful symbol.

          However, the meat itself does not confer great abilities - it actually makes you less healthy and less functional than eating predominantly white meats.

          https://i.imgur.com/b5lF991.png

          Death for no reason is murder.

          1 healthy person vs 3 malnourished slaves only fit for menial single purpose labor

          Society already figured this out back when peasants were fed gruel and nobles owned and ate from game preserves. Plant foods are foods for livestock. Including human livestock. It was basically innate knowledge, even then, that meat is required for optimum brain function and no amount of supplemental shit can make you anything but a slave caste "human" on a plant based diet. Your brain will always be missing crucial nutrients. Your reasoning abilities will always be impaired. Vegans will always be more prone to crippling mental illness than normal people eating a healthy omnivorous diet ie: mediterranean standard.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >eat ze bugs
            No.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's no actual reason to farm them - they are a luxury product, not a staple.
            There are still reasons to farm cows. Cows milk has become a staple and beef is still very calorically dense for what you put into them.
            But I agree that we don't need to farm as many as we have. Overconsumption is a huge issue.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No adult needs milk.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Raw? Sure. But as an ingredient? Plant milk doesn't do the same things and goat milk isn't a good substitute. Dairy will never leave the West, you're wasting your time and your effort trying to argue against it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Goats do most things cows can do they don't need as much water, land, food, or specialized equipment to process. They also largely eliminate the need for fodder because they be grass fed almost anywhere but a desert and you'll still find wild ones there. They scale a lot easier personal farms. I would say wasting diseases are little more common in goats/sheep than madcow but it's not as much of a nightmare to destroy a herd of goats. So as far as milk and meat ruminants go cows are just wasteful for the sake of preference.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every livestock needs fodder at some point in their lives, but goats IMO are a little more inefficient. Especially when it comes to large-scale meat farming.
                Goats can't be processed for their meat once they hit sexual maturity, including females and wethers. This means that any old goats that no longer breed or produce milk are literally deadweight. This is not the case for cows. Dairy cows past producing age can be processed for beef and the difference in taste can't be detected by the layman.
                This makes large-scale goat farming impractical.
                While yes, I do agree that goats are a far better solution for personal and hobby farms, cows will still be required even when the average westerner stops being a fat fricker and eating meat seven times a week.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks we feed cows the human-edible grain

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The meal that goes to become animal feed (whether it be s o y, wheat, bean, oat, etc) is always low-quality crop that is considered too low-quality for human consumption, and/or the stalks, the chaff and the stuff humans don't eat anyway.

      Based knowers

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You stick to eating like medieval peasants if you want, I'll just enjoy my succulent beef

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hi,where do you guys find the best and most trustworthy scientific papers on animals??

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Animals have been and still are the biggest oppressed group of sentient beings in history. It is not wrong to use the word "holocaust" in describing what we do to them.
    One doesn't have to like animals to understand that their exploitation is a crime.
    Become animal activists, anons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      animals we eat were created for the sole purpose of feeding us

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Proof?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans don't even understand their own points anymore.
    This is either implying that cows somehow provide less nutrition than the food we give them, which is just false, period. Learn biology.
    Or it is implying that meat is too expensive for the poor, which has slightly more ground, but still not much, chicken and white fish (ironically, some of the healthiest meats) are almost as cheap as vegetables, and are certainly cheaper than the insane dietary gymnastics you need to perform to go vegan and not turn into a malnourished ghoul.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying that cows somehow provide less nutrition than the food we give them, which is just false, period. Learn biology.
      Are you stupid? Every subsequent link a food chain consumes more energy because everything in that chain has other life functions. You put 15 million calories into a cow you get maybe 500k out of one. Not even a vegan but Jesus you have to be dense as shit to not see that it's a lossy compression.

      My question is how do you make a cow into a riceball? What is the smaller bread? How do you make yogurt without a cow?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you make yogurt without a cow?
        i think it's supposed to be oatmeal

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, I want you to go outside and grab a handful of grass and shove it into your drooling, shit stained mouth, chew it, and swallow. Now do this repeatedly for a few weeks, if you're a normal human, and not a bovine with a multichambered stomach, you will die, because humans are generalist omnivores, not ruminant herbivores.
        Now I will grant you this: if we are assuming that these cows eat nothing that isn't human-grade food, you would be right. And honestly, I don't know enough about agriculture to verify this, so if I'm a moron, then so be it, but from a biological perspective, no, there is only nutrition to be gained.
        This is why predation is a thing in the first place.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who gives a shit you incoherent moron? Your statement was wrong. That's why I replied. It has nothing to do with access to other food sources or the 1:88+ predator to prey mass ratio or how that differs in omnivores or how none of this applies to commercial agriculture.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I feel like you're trolling at this point, but I'll bite, the whole "lossy" conversion you mentioned is invalid because humans cannot digest fricking grass and plant roughage. Sure, in terms of pure numbers, there is of course energy lost in converting grass to cow meat, but when it comes to practicality as us humans, there is only energy to gain.
            If you can't understand it at this point, there's no easier way I can break down this very simple information.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I do not care. The statement you made was wrong. Your attempts to correct for it or change/add context do not matter to me. It was a offensively stupid post that is all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're looping like a bot

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well they could, theyd just have to eat their own shit afterwards

              >implying that cows somehow provide less nutrition than the food we give them, which is just false, period. Learn biology.
              Are you stupid? Every subsequent link a food chain consumes more energy because everything in that chain has other life functions. You put 15 million calories into a cow you get maybe 500k out of one. Not even a vegan but Jesus you have to be dense as shit to not see that it's a lossy compression.

              My question is how do you make a cow into a riceball? What is the smaller bread? How do you make yogurt without a cow?

              youre really fricking stupid the calories given to cattle are calories humans CAN NOT ACCESS, just like we do with pigs, chicken, and some fishes, and i guess crabs and shrimp too, and what do you know, these are all animals that eat GARBAGE, things we cannot digest, thats literally the whole point of animal husbandry, converting garbage into usable food

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that you would have to consume an insane amount of the shit we give cows to get the same 600 cals you would from eating one steak.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You put 15 million calories into a cow
        Again, calories from a source we can't digest, and the waste that comes out of the cows' asses is sold as fertilizer.
        I actually rototilled cow shit into my garden a few days ago

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nooo stop complicating evolution
        I'm not even a carnivore but frick, let's just kill ourselves and be fed to lesser lifeforms then, since that's better by your definition.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like skeletons

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cows deserve life too.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One cow for one man? My homie getting ready for bulking season

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah because those other people would be eating the inedible parts of the crop that the cows eat like the stalk, right?

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Grass is inedible. Cow meat is edible. Cows turn worthless grass into food.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah because those other people would be eating the inedible parts of the crop that the cows eat like the stalk, right?

      Cows eat basedbean meal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is the word S O Y filtered?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because sóyBlack person reddit mods are assblasted about a word
          (for this board) imagine them filtering the words toxo or dogfricker or anything along those lines. just imagine them trying to make the site better to use, could not be me

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I remember it started when some mod on Wauf got assblasted because he posted his keyboard and someone mentioned the word ONIONS which is how we got here now. By the way, I like cows.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that one slur really annoyed them above all others. You can guess why.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A mod's keyboard got insulted, so he added a wordfilter so s o y board became basedboard.
          I'm not kidding.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is the word S O Y filtered?

        But the plant in the image is obviously wheat so what is your point?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uh okay, go try eating it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Humans do eat it but most of it is fed to livestock.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because most of the harvested crop is waste product. Chaff, stalk, etc. The shit humans can't eat. Furthermore, not every harvest is made equal, and sometimes the actual crop itself is just shit quality for reasons outside of the farmers control, making it unsuitable for human consumption.
            Reducing livestock would not end this issue. In fact, more crops would have to be planted to make up for the gap in our diets.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The meal that goes to become animal feed (whether it be s o y, wheat, bean, oat, etc) is always low-quality crop that is considered too low-quality for human consumption, and/or the stalks, the chaff and the stuff humans don't eat anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        YOUR cows do. I eat grass fed.

        Vegans ride wiener. Yes. All vegans. No exceptions
        ALL vegans are malnourished
        ALL vegans are either intellectually dishonest narcissists, wannabe religious nutjobs, or legitimately dangerous antihumam psychos

        Just eat a grass fed steak and be normal.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I eat grass fed.
          Get your point but all beef cattle are fed supplementary feed when kept inside during the winter.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he farms cattle where there is a winter too harsh for them to live through
            Just get chickens they’re cheaper

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They can live fine, it's for pasture health. A wet winter plus a whole herd of cattle will render any field a muddy mess in a month, and unless you have 5+ fields of at least 50 acres containing high-quality grass to spread your herds out across 3-4 months of winter, its better for your pasture, and your cows feet, to keep them inside.
              Unless your beef is US ranched beef (not purely grass-fed anyway) then your beef is kept inside in the winter. That's not a bad thing by the way.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is another thread where Americans think the whole world has their insane fricked food system, cows in the winter eat dried grass here, and are mostly raised on marginal land which cannot support agriculture

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's the same here as well. As it is in most other western countries. Dried grass (hay) is a supplemental feed, and no farmer on earth would sacrifice arable land for cows.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The vegans should look half-way between the healthy meat eater and the skellingtons

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good thing we eat meat then.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing the cows turn the crops to fertilizer too.
      It is almost like this system was formed around herbivores eating plants and then predetors eating them.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's more like a cow feeds three obese people, leftovers are thrown out, and starving people trying to reach the dumpster to eat scraps are gassed.

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