Reminder that bogans just bred whatever worked and didn't require any veterinary assistance or highly detailed stud books to be used or replicated and the resulting breed produced a dog that lived for 29 years.
Following kennel club recognition and breeding to fix aesthetic traits, bluey's health has not been replicated and the average lifespan of the ACD has trended down to 13 +/- 2 years. However, there are anecdotes of dingo-like cattle dog mutts with few of the aesthetic traits of the ACD breed living far longer.
that's pretty much huskies. officially AKC-approved huskies will normally croak before they turn 14 and randomly have epilepsy. however, the working wolfy looking sled dog mutts that people call huskies despite having almost no conformation to the AKC's arbitrary standards besides straight legs routinely live to 15-18. if you're anywhere sled dogs were traditionally used you can still get primitive dogs and mixes between them and showskies. they are exceptionally healthy, most of them look a little different, and most people will still call them huskies anyways.
A lot of horse breeds/color varieties have genetic issues from severe inbreeding and very few founding animals. Lethal white and lavender foal syndrome are two extreme cases of the results from bad breeding of recessive traits.
The worst dead end breed I can think of is probably fancy fantail pigeons. Fancy pigeon breeding is not as mainstream as dogs and horses, but very wealthy people have managed to selectively preserve and breed for birds that can barely walk, perch, drink, eat, see, fly, mate, or move thanks to deformed skeletons. There are other pigeon types with similar "should not exist" traits like the nearly-beakless or giant ballooned crop varieties-- but fantails are a monstrosity of cruelty that make pugs look okay.
Doodles. Doodle owners fucking suck and I imagine their breeders arent much better.
I worked in a pet shop for 6 months and got to see all kinds of dog owners. Doodle owners were FINE but they were just so narcissistic. Talked about 'ohhh they're so healthy because they're a cross' meanwhile never take their dog with POODLE LIKE HAIR to a fucking groomers so it's basically suffocating in that mass. Ontop of that so many get them as a family dog, which I don't think poodles are. They're too aloof and have too short temperaments for small children, so the more poodley the doodle the less family friendly it is. I have yet to meet a friendly labradoodle.
It is so obvious people are only getting doodles because they're new and trendy and look like teddy bears and these are the kinds of people who can't handle their dog being called what it is, a cross breed.
I now work for a ferry company and whenever people take their doodles across the pet passport says 'crossbreed' so I obviously refer to it as such. >okay can you scan your crossbreeds chip for me 🙂 >Haha crossbreed 🙂 they're a labracockerfuckerdoodle >Haha okay it just says crossbreed on your pet passport >so my pet passport is wrong then! She's a first generation rare coloured goldenlabrabordercuntingdoodle >oh so you admit your pet passport has incorrect information on it? >YES >lmao okay go talk to my supervisor I can't let you cross with a voided pet passport
These owners are so fucking dumb it makes me angry.
>Doodle owners were FINE but they were just so narcissistic.
Same observation
>I have yet to meet a friendly labradoodle.
This, they're usually well-mannered and enthusiastic but their residual poodleness just makes them kind of cold and nonpresent, like there's no sentience or affect behind their beady little eyes. Pair with the reality that they are custom-engineered to be lifestyle accessories for upper middle class yuppies instead of actual companions, and I assume breeders have been working hard to minimize their personality and self-awareness since those are beside the point of what a Tesla-driving Karen who does environmental consulting wants out of a dog.
Definitely the most soulless breed and right behind pitbulls on my list of most despised dogs.
>The creation of the Moscow water dog was originally commissioned by the Russian government and navy. In doing so, they hoped to create the ultimate rescue dog. >Ultimately, the Moscow water dog was more likely to bite drowning victims than rescue them. Hence, the breed was never fully realized and went extinct in the 1980s.
Partly because because they liked creating or uncovering examples of national/philosophical superiority to wave around. Partly because you could get killed or jailed if someone decided that your favorite dog breed was actually a waste of public funds on foreign propaganda or embodied anti Leninism.
>Ultimately, the Moscow water dog was more likely to bite drowning victims than rescue them.
Too much Russia in its genes. Probably spent its days swilled Vodka instead of rescue training and stripped the Kennel of its copper wiring to sell for drugs.
>Working line
Using terms like working line, breeder lines, and so on creates an artificial sense of hierarchy and division among dogs.
A mutt dog is a a dog that has two or more different types of parents.
the foundation stock for Border Collies was likely a mix of various herding and working dogs from the British Isles, including the Scottish Borders.
Keyword: a mix.
>Show breeders can help you find a puppy that meets your specific desires in terms of breed, size, color, and temperament.
>Show breeders are experts in their chosen breeds and can advise you on the care, training, and exercise needs of your new puppy.
>Show breeders typically produce high-quality, healthy puppies that have been well-socialized and are less likely to have behavior or health problems.
>Show breeders are a good source of information on dog shows and can help you get started in the world of competitive dog showing if you're interested.
>Using terms working, show, and so on creates artificial division
Naw, it creates legit division. A working line dog isn't going to be as patient when he gets poked a prodded as a show line dog, and a show line rat terrier wouldn't be as effective at catching rats as a decker rat terrier.
Both have a chance at making unhealthy dogs, but the show line is much more likely to have unhealthy dogs, due to their reasoning for choosing mating pairs.
If you want a healthy long lived pet, try finding a large ish breeder who doesn't factory farm, working line breed, and doesn't show breed. He would mostly be breeding just to improve the breed at that point.
If I had a ton of money and time I would clan breed german shepherd x husky, because they both have what the other needs health wise, and they share a similar body type.
There is no legitimate basis for dividing dogs into show line and working line dogs. These terms are not based on any objective criteria and therefore are arbitrary and subjective.
There is no evidence to suggest that conformation participating dogs are any less capable of working than non-confirmation participating dogs.
If the AKC has them, they have a show lineage. https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/rat-terrier/
11 months ago
Anonymous
right
not a random niche ratting dog like a decker rat terrier or a fallopian russel bull terrier
tard
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm glad you agree the show line and the working line are different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>im glad that you agree that german shepherds arent pugs
this is how retarded your non argument is
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, decker rat terriers at most are morphs. They are pretty identical genetically, just deckers have a pinch of fox terrier sprinkled in.
Would you call exotic bull, not bull dogs?
11 months ago
Anonymous
bull dogs and terriers arent breeds of dogs
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok I'll speak slowly so you understand better.
A-mer-i-can Bull-dogs are ge-ne-tic-ally i-dent-i-cal to toad-line bull-dogs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
thanks for the retard clarification
have fun showing your ~~*(genetically identical*~~) toadline with the american bulldogs
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, is there anyone calling toadlines a different breed? It's a morph at most.
If you pointed at it on the street, and asked someone to guess the breed, he'd probably say it's a American bulldog.
11 months ago
Anonymous
toadlines are an a attempt at their own breed
dogs are just a morph of wolves, to use your terms
ive never seen a toadline irl i always assumed it was a retarded california thing
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Dogs are morphs of wolves
No, they're considered different species. Dog breeds are the equivalent of landraces, and morphs are like red heelers and blue heelers.
At the moment, I don't believe toadlines are different enough to be a different breed. They're just show line dogs of the ghetto.
11 months ago
Anonymous
theyre considered a different species only because of retards like you
11 months ago
Anonymous
No they wouldn't?
A normie would compare it to an English Bulldog at most and then shoot it for existing as an affront to god.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, you believe American Bulldogs are the same as Exotic Bullies.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But they are? Exotic bullies are just inbred as fuck
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Exotic bullies are just inbred as fuck
That's the issue, you mong.
The breeder only cares for the animal to live a year or two past the financing period, and that's it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We have never sequenced their genome and that is clearly wrong anyways
God dogfags are so fucking stupid. Let me guess you’re twisting reality because your heckinpupper is a show line purebred.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don't need to sequence a genome to deduce two animals are different species.
>Let me guess you have a purebred show line
No, I have a German husky. The outcross made a healthier dog than the German shepherd, and makes the husky actually have self control.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Breeds Sledding Dog to a Herding Dog >Self Control: 100 >Function: 0 >Form: 0 >Irresponsible Ownership: 100
Imagine breeding a GSD to a Husky to account for your lack of knowledge in dog training.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I got her from Craigslist. And the function is really good, she's a good learner and can bring me my soda. Her form was fixed by the husky, fixed the fucked up hips of show line Germans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The husky always had self control it’s just a born and bred slave animal now so you didn’t have to earn their love
11 months ago
Anonymous
GSDs are so slave like they get boners around their masters. The instincts that control dog loyalty may not be what we want them to be. So what he did is create a completely average dog with nothing in particular going for it but a large, aesthetic cookie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Completely average dog
Naw, it's litterally the best of both. It's not going to bite a stranger like German, with the benefit of not attacking my chickens.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So normal dog
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd consider it above average. It's better than both huskies and Germans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Better than a husky because it’s sexy AND into you
Better than a german because it’s horny BUT doesn’t kill people
11 months ago
Anonymous
YES! Doesn't need training with a special toy like a 40lb husky either.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Breeds Sledding Dog to a Herding Dog >Self Control: 100 >Function: 0 >Form: 0 >Irresponsible Ownership: 100
Imagine breeding a GSD to a Husky to account for your lack of knowledge in dog training.
As I said,
its form is nothing unique. Looks like a Norwegian Elkhound/Alaskan Malamute (nothing new or interesting).
It's function is also lacking; it brings you a soda? I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud that you massacred their working dogs kek.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud
It's a dog. I don't have sheep for it to herd or a sled full of medicine for it to pull. Until it grows hands, the most complex task I can really give is fetching me shit while I'm busy. I guess I could teach it to herd my Chickies tho.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure you can really massacre their working dogs. Dogs have litters of 6+. There is always a massive fucking surplus of dogs, far beyond the number of people that need working dogs, even the breeders. Some of those won't be the best workers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with breeding those to specialize as pets, and doing that puts you at an advantage because the similar looking pet helps prevent people from adopting your working stock. Otherwise when normies adopt working stock you, as a breeder, lose a lot of your field testing and there is no point in retaining breeding rights AKA part of how you get $$$$.
11 months ago
Anonymous
a working dog only ends when its job does. look at golden retrievers. gun dogs are not a practicality. it's a purely recreational form of hunting as "sportsmanship". if you just want food, the 30 seconds you save picking up birds is NOT worth the 30 birds you have to feed your dog. gun dogs were always a nobility hunting for fun kind of dog so when that classof nobility pretty much died off so did a lot of their "working" breeds.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's function is also lacking; it brings you a soda? I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud that you massacred their working dogs
Delusional. They do not care. Nothing of value was lost.
>Using terms like working line, breeder lines, and so on creates an artificial sense of hierarchy and division among dogs.
No shit. That's how it works, retard. Even dogs are artificial, if you think about it.
>The working version of the dog hasn't been bastardized
It's always been a generic mutt but violent. That's like saying working sled dogs haven't been bastardized, when they've always been generic mutts but fluffy.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cd_LKOiIhrg/
From Jemima Harrison: >Just a reminder that while this can be totally innocent, brachy dogs can sometimes hold things in their mouths when they are asleep to help with breathing. >They do this because dogs are obligate nose breathers when they sleep - ie they cannot open their mouths to breathe when they are asleep. >Some dogs' airways relax so much when they fall asleep that they have to wake up to take a breath; similar to humans with sleep apnoea (the difference being that humans can do this without waking up and dogs can't). >The worst-affected dogs can be chronically sleep-deprived. >How can you tell if it's something you should be concerned about? >a) if your dog actively seeks out an object to hold in their mouth when they sleep >b) if your dog suffers from sleep apnoea >c) if they regularly/routinely fall asleep sitting up or with their heads propped up on eg the arm of a sofa or another dog.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cd_LKOiIhrg/
From Jemima Harrison: >Just a reminder that while this can be totally innocent, brachy dogs can sometimes hold things in their mouths when they are asleep to help with breathing. >They do this because dogs are obligate nose breathers when they sleep - ie they cannot open their mouths to breathe when they are asleep. >Some dogs' airways relax so much when they fall asleep that they have to wake up to take a breath; similar to humans with sleep apnoea (the difference being that humans can do this without waking up and dogs can't). >The worst-affected dogs can be chronically sleep-deprived. >How can you tell if it's something you should be concerned about? >a) if your dog actively seeks out an object to hold in their mouth when they sleep >b) if your dog suffers from sleep apnoea >c) if they regularly/routinely fall asleep sitting up or with their heads propped up on eg the arm of a sofa or another dog.
So in other words the dogs in those pictures are probably suffering a lot. Nice
Take a look at what goes on with australian shepherd DNA ENTIRELY FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. The answer is, quite simply, that they are psychopaths. Neither of these genes should really exist, because they only work if every single pairing is very tightly controlled and only "real breeders" can mate dogs... obviously that runs counter to reality.
People who breed dogs carrying genes like these should really be shot. Multiple times. Just not in the head or heart. They would die too quickly.
Oh and yes people have purposefully bred double merle dogs, and tried to get double bobtail dogs to live, for the sole purpose of providing sires that can father litters that are entirely heterozygous for the trait. Why? They cost more money, and win more shows, because the paper of arbitrary standards says so! That's not all, breeders have also propagated genetic disease in working dogs entirely to keep them all pure whatevers.
http://www.border-wars.com/2016/03/how-we-know-wiston-cap-carried-collie-eye-anomaly.html
It does. And knowing that lots of very good herding dogs are not purebred from competition winners at all, so it's all completely pointless, unless your goal is to win competitions, not get the job done.
I recently learned it's the same with the cute dwarf bunnies. Any bunny that inherits two dwarf alleles dies soon after it's born. Not sure what to think of it ethically.
Nothing and breeders actuallt dont think there's anything wrong with it either.
GOOD breeders will always breed together 2 dogs that have the most compatibility. They will never breed 2 merles that have chances of throwing dead/db pups. Good breeders will keep 'boring' dogs with good genes. Good breeders will continue to breed those boring looking dogs to keep genetic diversity high.
Shitty breeders will ofc do shitty things and purposefully breed for Bob tails, merle, etc with no regard to genetic health. But 4chin and other adjacent retards like to think bad breeders = all breeders and this is simply not the case.
Agreed. Purposefully breeding a merle should be under torture breeding laws. Accidental puppies are bad enough. Accidental puppies where some of them are severely deformed? Yeah no. Breeders are not perfectly in control so fatal genes like merle and bobtail just result in dead and suffering dogs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
First of all, outlawing breeding dogs would do nothing to improve the quality of the dog population. Breeders would simply shift their practices to other breeds of dogs, which would lead to even more genetic problems in the dogs. Furthermore, breeding dogs is a necessary part of the dog population in order to keep it healthy and adaptable.
Breeding dogs also helps to ensure that the dog population is healthy. For example, when a dog is bred with a specific purpose in mind, such as working or hunting, the resulting offspring is likely to be better suited for that purpose than if the dog was bred randomly. This ensures that the overall quality of the dog population is high.
Lastly, banning breeding dogs would be unconstitutional. The US Constitution guarantees the right to own and breed dogs, as long as the practice does not violate any other laws.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't criticisized breeding dogs, he criticisized the way AKC breeds dogs. To my knowledge only that extreme anti-merle says it should be outlawed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The US Constitution guarantees the right to own and breed dogs, as long as the practice does not violate any other laws.
Then can't it be treated in a case by case basis? Surely this counts as animal abuse in most cases, therefore breaking a law
Lots of animals in the wild reproduce without oversight and end up fucking their sisters and producing some weird creatures.
Allowing dogs, any breed of dog, to reproduce willy nilly is a terrible awful no-good very bad idea.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon they really don’t. Inbred animals are normally pretty healthy for generation 1 and it’s rare.
Merle shit means if one dog fucks the wrong one you have deaf and blind pups. You create this risk for hurr durr pretty colors. It’s wrong. >we vill always be responsible breeders honest!
Proven wrong already. Ban the breeding of merles. Spay and neuter every merle dog. Prosecute everyone who knowingly bred merles.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not defending the purposeful breeding of merles but it's pretty dumb to say unregulated breeding is always the best way to go.
11 months ago
Anonymous
animals in the wild have instincts to avoid inbreeding. inbreeding goes up when humans drive them to extinction and destroy their habitat because we have a fucked up idea of how many animals there need to be.
there was once an island in canada with only two wolves left, a father and a daughter. they rejected each other as mates for ages until desperation finally set in.
Basically just the opposite of all the traits that particular lazy breeding wants. A normal tail, “boring” colors that don’t sell as much, and the wrong ears so it can’t even be shown or whatever.
The arbitrarily written standard says so
How the AKC works:
Find a handful of landrace dogs you think look pretty
Describe an ideal version of them
Inbreed the fuck out of them until they all look the same, 100% of the litter. Call your degeneracy “improving the breed”.
The AKC does not find a handful of "pretty" landrace dogs, de-characterize them, and then inbreed them until they all look the same. There are a variety of reasons why a dog may look "pretty," and it is not solely based on their physical appearance. For example, some dogs may look pretty because they have a well-muscled body, while others may look pretty because they have a beautiful coat. It is not the job of the AKC to determine which dogs are "pretty" and which are not, and furthermore, it is not their job to improve the breed by de-characterizing and inbreeding dogs who do not meet their arbitrary standards of "pretty."
The AKC does not arbitrarily decide which dogs are "pretty" and which are not. Instead, they rely on breed standards, which are set by experts who are knowledgeable about dog genetics and anatomy. The AKC does not de-characterize or inbreed dogs based on their appearance; they only do so if they believe that the dogs' physical features are not in line with the breed's standard. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that the AC does these things.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it is not their job to improve the breed by de-characterizing and inbreeding dogs who do not meet their arbitrary standards of "pretty."
AND YET, THEY DO. >The AKC does not arbitrarily decide which dogs are "pretty" and which are no
AND YET, THEY DO >which are set by experts who are knowledgeable about dog genetics and anatomy
AND YET, THEY ARE SET BY VICTORIAN FUCKWITS, LEST THESE ABOMINATIONS WOULD NOT EXIST! >. The AKC does not de-characterize or inbreed dogs based on their appearance
AND YET, THEY >they only do so if they believe that the dogs' physical features are not in line with the breed's standard. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that the AC does these things.
DO!
breeding dogs for any purpose other than maximum lifespan degrades health. this is basic natural selection. if something is not selected for, it degrades. professionally bred dogs are not selected for a lifespan beyond 8 years, at which points dogs are retired from all services due to age. therefore, purebred dogs all tend towards a maximum lifespan of 8, as disorders that affect that stage of their life are not selected against.
only one dog has had its genome sequenced. we do not understand even 1% of its function. breeders are objectively not able to fix all their mistakes - such as breed specific cancer rates and idiopathic epilepsy - without culling entire bloodlines and starting over from landraces and wolves. WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS IN HUMANS.
This is objective fact. Not up for debate. Disagreement is not allowed. Understand? If you reply with any dissenting opinion, any more cheeky "safe and effective" propaganda styled ramblings, my only response will be to insult you. Do you understand, you hideous swine faced fuckwit?
11 months ago
Anonymous
this. we don't fully understand the genetics of longevity in humans, and we've clearly degraded them in dogs to a point where we would have to selectively breed dogs for lifespan because we have literally no fucking idea where the CRISPY-friendly dont-die switch is. this is so specific that we would be breeding out odd physical traits and neurotic behaviors like herding instinct, just like breeding for oddities requires discarding the odd unusually healthy dog, because a dog that lives to 20 is useless when your goal is having a dog herd sheep the fastest for the trials when it's 3. never mind that such breeding is pointless. farmers have never worried about their sheepdog working 30s faster in an artificial environment, and real working sheepdogs are more loosely bred.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>because a dog that lives to 20 is useless when your goal is having a dog herd sheep the fastest for the trials when it's 3. never mind that such breeding is pointless. farmers have never worried about their sheepdog working 30s faster in an artificial environment, and real working sheepdogs are more loosely bred
A lot of farmers are also trialists. Hard to be one when you don't have plenty of work for your dogs. Those that aren't are usually retired farmers with old dogs. Trialing isn't about the dog working 30sec faster though, that's not what he's judged on at all. There are time limits but they are generous.. Lot of these kinds of dogs live around 15 years average, even ones that are quite large and work well until they are 10 or so before they start to slow down due to worn joints and arthritis more than anything, and not so suited to the big jobs anymore
11 months ago
Anonymous
And a lot of trialists have nothing to do with farming beyond a hobby level, except, yknow, farming dogs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If they can turn up to a big farm where trials are held and put their dog up a bigger hill than it's ever seen before and beat out farmers with 40 years experience using their dogs every day then good on them
11 months ago
Anonymous
And then their dog goes deaf at 5 and has a seizure and dies at the ripe old age of 6, thankfully, because their owner was seriously considering 30k on chemo for the several kinds of cancer they developed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They don't win in the first place. Chances are their dog chases the sheep off through a fence and after a few minutes of frantic yelling it comes back with a rabbit
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, actually, their dog wins. They are bred entirely to 1: be 100% the breed and a great aesthetic example of it 2: also work at a competitive level. So they are a minefield of health problems. Then some retard farmer sees that, but not the years that follow, pays $10k to get one from the next litter, and even breeds them long before problems can even be obvious, so dogs are basically being bred to die before they turn 10.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno what trials you are going to but not nz champs that's for sure
11 months ago
Anonymous
NZ dog gayry is a lot different from UK dog gayry and US dog transsexuality.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Got one here who is from semen from a dog who won 'world champs' in the UK. Pic related
11 months ago
Anonymous
>mix inbred collie with something else >result is no longer pure inbred collie >health problems vanish >meanwhile in the UK >by the queen that would be destroying the breed!
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's alright. Still a young fulla. Names slim
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's alright. Still a young fulla. Names slim
>File: 1655806946141.gif (696 KB, 1306x980)
I hope his name is the only thing that's slim iykwim.../10
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's just mad there is a unit load of lambs going on a truck 10 meters away and he's not allowed to turn it into absolute chaos
11 months ago
Anonymous
80 million sheeps will do that
11 months ago
Anonymous
Aussiefag there was thinking of the dog sausage
11 months ago
Anonymous
Based. If I knew you in real life I'd like to run a breeding system together.
Selectively breeding for dogs who mature slower, make litters later in life, and live longer without medical help.
Show dog breeders are filth and every step taken away from their idiocy improves dogs greatly
Appearance should only be a criteria for avoiding deformity. Since god knows better than man, anything that deviates from natural canids too much is deformed.
all breeders minus the 1% that know anything about dogs need to burn in a pit. Adopt don't shop gays
Reminder that bogans just bred whatever worked and didn't require any veterinary assistance or highly detailed stud books to be used or replicated and the resulting breed produced a dog that lived for 29 years.
Following kennel club recognition and breeding to fix aesthetic traits, bluey's health has not been replicated and the average lifespan of the ACD has trended down to 13 +/- 2 years. However, there are anecdotes of dingo-like cattle dog mutts with few of the aesthetic traits of the ACD breed living far longer.
that's pretty much huskies. officially AKC-approved huskies will normally croak before they turn 14 and randomly have epilepsy. however, the working wolfy looking sled dog mutts that people call huskies despite having almost no conformation to the AKC's arbitrary standards besides straight legs routinely live to 15-18. if you're anywhere sled dogs were traditionally used you can still get primitive dogs and mixes between them and showskies. they are exceptionally healthy, most of them look a little different, and most people will still call them huskies anyways.
I've seen huskies with those big ears and that face shape before...
A lot of horse breeds/color varieties have genetic issues from severe inbreeding and very few founding animals. Lethal white and lavender foal syndrome are two extreme cases of the results from bad breeding of recessive traits.
The worst dead end breed I can think of is probably fancy fantail pigeons. Fancy pigeon breeding is not as mainstream as dogs and horses, but very wealthy people have managed to selectively preserve and breed for birds that can barely walk, perch, drink, eat, see, fly, mate, or move thanks to deformed skeletons. There are other pigeon types with similar "should not exist" traits like the nearly-beakless or giant ballooned crop varieties-- but fantails are a monstrosity of cruelty that make pugs look okay.
Doodles. Doodle owners fucking suck and I imagine their breeders arent much better.
I worked in a pet shop for 6 months and got to see all kinds of dog owners. Doodle owners were FINE but they were just so narcissistic. Talked about 'ohhh they're so healthy because they're a cross' meanwhile never take their dog with POODLE LIKE HAIR to a fucking groomers so it's basically suffocating in that mass. Ontop of that so many get them as a family dog, which I don't think poodles are. They're too aloof and have too short temperaments for small children, so the more poodley the doodle the less family friendly it is. I have yet to meet a friendly labradoodle.
It is so obvious people are only getting doodles because they're new and trendy and look like teddy bears and these are the kinds of people who can't handle their dog being called what it is, a cross breed.
I now work for a ferry company and whenever people take their doodles across the pet passport says 'crossbreed' so I obviously refer to it as such.
>okay can you scan your crossbreeds chip for me 🙂
>Haha crossbreed 🙂 they're a labracockerfuckerdoodle
>Haha okay it just says crossbreed on your pet passport
>so my pet passport is wrong then! She's a first generation rare coloured goldenlabrabordercuntingdoodle
>oh so you admit your pet passport has incorrect information on it?
>YES
>lmao okay go talk to my supervisor I can't let you cross with a voided pet passport
These owners are so fucking dumb it makes me angry.
you show the doodle owners, wagie
>Doodle owners were FINE but they were just so narcissistic.
Same observation
>I have yet to meet a friendly labradoodle.
This, they're usually well-mannered and enthusiastic but their residual poodleness just makes them kind of cold and nonpresent, like there's no sentience or affect behind their beady little eyes. Pair with the reality that they are custom-engineered to be lifestyle accessories for upper middle class yuppies instead of actual companions, and I assume breeders have been working hard to minimize their personality and self-awareness since those are beside the point of what a Tesla-driving Karen who does environmental consulting wants out of a dog.
Definitely the most soulless breed and right behind pitbulls on my list of most despised dogs.
aw shit!
Looks like a hobo trying to steal a frozen turkey breast by sticking it into his jacket.
>CAN'T CRY OVER EVERY MAULED TODDLER, JACK
dobermans bred in europe are fine
anything anglos touch will be ruined
Ops pic is an European doberman
>The creation of the Moscow water dog was originally commissioned by the Russian government and navy. In doing so, they hoped to create the ultimate rescue dog.
>Ultimately, the Moscow water dog was more likely to bite drowning victims than rescue them. Hence, the breed was never fully realized and went extinct in the 1980s.
why does everyone want to reinvent the wheel?
Newfs are just perfection in a dogs body.
Do you have one as a DW?
As a what?
Partly because because they liked creating or uncovering examples of national/philosophical superiority to wave around. Partly because you could get killed or jailed if someone decided that your favorite dog breed was actually a waste of public funds on foreign propaganda or embodied anti Leninism.
Do we know the intent was to rescue people?
>I'm here to help you!
>Hey, hey stop dragging me down.
>FUCK YOU GET OFF! AUGH IM DROWNING!
>BITE
Makes sense to me.
>Ultimately, the Moscow water dog was more likely to bite drowning victims than rescue them.
Too much Russia in its genes. Probably spent its days swilled Vodka instead of rescue training and stripped the Kennel of its copper wiring to sell for drugs.
>CAPTCHA: MS WW2
malamute master race
husky but smart and not toy sized. too bad there are so many ugly unhealthy ones that look half newf.
He’s right chihuahuas are great
https://www.dailypaws.com/living-with-pets/pet-compatibility/healthiest-dog-breeds#:~:text=Healthiest%20Small%20Dog%20Breed%3A%20Chihuahua&text=Technically%20a%20tiny%20toy%20breed,anywhere%20from%2012%E2%80%9318%20years.
>Working line
Using terms like working line, breeder lines, and so on creates an artificial sense of hierarchy and division among dogs.
A mutt dog is a a dog that has two or more different types of parents.
the foundation stock for Border Collies was likely a mix of various herding and working dogs from the British Isles, including the Scottish Borders.
Keyword: a mix.
>Show breeders can help you find a puppy that meets your specific desires in terms of breed, size, color, and temperament.
>Show breeders are experts in their chosen breeds and can advise you on the care, training, and exercise needs of your new puppy.
>Show breeders typically produce high-quality, healthy puppies that have been well-socialized and are less likely to have behavior or health problems.
>Show breeders are a good source of information on dog shows and can help you get started in the world of competitive dog showing if you're interested.
>Using terms working, show, and so on creates artificial division
Naw, it creates legit division. A working line dog isn't going to be as patient when he gets poked a prodded as a show line dog, and a show line rat terrier wouldn't be as effective at catching rats as a decker rat terrier.
Both have a chance at making unhealthy dogs, but the show line is much more likely to have unhealthy dogs, due to their reasoning for choosing mating pairs.
If you want a healthy long lived pet, try finding a large ish breeder who doesn't factory farm, working line breed, and doesn't show breed. He would mostly be breeding just to improve the breed at that point.
If I had a ton of money and time I would clan breed german shepherd x husky, because they both have what the other needs health wise, and they share a similar body type.
There is no legitimate basis for dividing dogs into show line and working line dogs. These terms are not based on any objective criteria and therefore are arbitrary and subjective.
There is no evidence to suggest that conformation participating dogs are any less capable of working than non-confirmation participating dogs.
>No legit basis
Compare a decker rat terrier to a show line, you'll notice the show line is much less ADHD.
random niche ratting dogs dont have show lines you massive tard
If the AKC has them, they have a show lineage. https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/rat-terrier/
right
not a random niche ratting dog like a decker rat terrier or a fallopian russel bull terrier
tard
I'm glad you agree the show line and the working line are different.
>im glad that you agree that german shepherds arent pugs
this is how retarded your non argument is
No, decker rat terriers at most are morphs. They are pretty identical genetically, just deckers have a pinch of fox terrier sprinkled in.
Would you call exotic bull, not bull dogs?
bull dogs and terriers arent breeds of dogs
Ok I'll speak slowly so you understand better.
A-mer-i-can Bull-dogs are ge-ne-tic-ally i-dent-i-cal to toad-line bull-dogs.
thanks for the retard clarification
have fun showing your ~~*(genetically identical*~~) toadline with the american bulldogs
Yes, is there anyone calling toadlines a different breed? It's a morph at most.
If you pointed at it on the street, and asked someone to guess the breed, he'd probably say it's a American bulldog.
toadlines are an a attempt at their own breed
dogs are just a morph of wolves, to use your terms
ive never seen a toadline irl i always assumed it was a retarded california thing
>Dogs are morphs of wolves
No, they're considered different species. Dog breeds are the equivalent of landraces, and morphs are like red heelers and blue heelers.
At the moment, I don't believe toadlines are different enough to be a different breed. They're just show line dogs of the ghetto.
theyre considered a different species only because of retards like you
No they wouldn't?
A normie would compare it to an English Bulldog at most and then shoot it for existing as an affront to god.
Kek, you believe American Bulldogs are the same as Exotic Bullies.
But they are? Exotic bullies are just inbred as fuck
>Exotic bullies are just inbred as fuck
That's the issue, you mong.
The breeder only cares for the animal to live a year or two past the financing period, and that's it.
We have never sequenced their genome and that is clearly wrong anyways
God dogfags are so fucking stupid. Let me guess you’re twisting reality because your heckinpupper is a show line purebred.
You don't need to sequence a genome to deduce two animals are different species.
>Let me guess you have a purebred show line
No, I have a German husky. The outcross made a healthier dog than the German shepherd, and makes the husky actually have self control.
>Breeds Sledding Dog to a Herding Dog
>Self Control: 100
>Function: 0
>Form: 0
>Irresponsible Ownership: 100
Imagine breeding a GSD to a Husky to account for your lack of knowledge in dog training.
I got her from Craigslist. And the function is really good, she's a good learner and can bring me my soda. Her form was fixed by the husky, fixed the fucked up hips of show line Germans.
The husky always had self control it’s just a born and bred slave animal now so you didn’t have to earn their love
GSDs are so slave like they get boners around their masters. The instincts that control dog loyalty may not be what we want them to be. So what he did is create a completely average dog with nothing in particular going for it but a large, aesthetic cookie.
>Completely average dog
Naw, it's litterally the best of both. It's not going to bite a stranger like German, with the benefit of not attacking my chickens.
So normal dog
I'd consider it above average. It's better than both huskies and Germans.
Better than a husky because it’s sexy AND into you
Better than a german because it’s horny BUT doesn’t kill people
YES! Doesn't need training with a special toy like a 40lb husky either.
As I said,
its form is nothing unique. Looks like a Norwegian Elkhound/Alaskan Malamute (nothing new or interesting).
It's function is also lacking; it brings you a soda? I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud that you massacred their working dogs kek.
>I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud
It's a dog. I don't have sheep for it to herd or a sled full of medicine for it to pull. Until it grows hands, the most complex task I can really give is fetching me shit while I'm busy. I guess I could teach it to herd my Chickies tho.
I'm not sure you can really massacre their working dogs. Dogs have litters of 6+. There is always a massive fucking surplus of dogs, far beyond the number of people that need working dogs, even the breeders. Some of those won't be the best workers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with breeding those to specialize as pets, and doing that puts you at an advantage because the similar looking pet helps prevent people from adopting your working stock. Otherwise when normies adopt working stock you, as a breeder, lose a lot of your field testing and there is no point in retaining breeding rights AKA part of how you get $$$$.
a working dog only ends when its job does. look at golden retrievers. gun dogs are not a practicality. it's a purely recreational form of hunting as "sportsmanship". if you just want food, the 30 seconds you save picking up birds is NOT worth the 30 birds you have to feed your dog. gun dogs were always a nobility hunting for fun kind of dog so when that classof nobility pretty much died off so did a lot of their "working" breeds.
>It's function is also lacking; it brings you a soda? I'm sure the sledders and farmers would be proud that you massacred their working dogs
Delusional. They do not care. Nothing of value was lost.
>Using terms like working line, breeder lines, and so on creates an artificial sense of hierarchy and division among dogs.
No shit. That's how it works, retard. Even dogs are artificial, if you think about it.
The Pit bull gamedog is the one few working breeds as well that hasn't been bastardized.
>The working version of the dog hasn't been bastardized
It's always been a generic mutt but violent. That's like saying working sled dogs haven't been bastardized, when they've always been generic mutts but fluffy.
since when Mutt is to be called a dog whose lineage has been nearly exact copies of it?
redditard take
Pug owners can be so clueless sometimes. Motherfucker can't breathe while it sleeps.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cd_LKOiIhrg/
From Jemima Harrison:
>Just a reminder that while this can be totally innocent, brachy dogs can sometimes hold things in their mouths when they are asleep to help with breathing.
>They do this because dogs are obligate nose breathers when they sleep - ie they cannot open their mouths to breathe when they are asleep.
>Some dogs' airways relax so much when they fall asleep that they have to wake up to take a breath; similar to humans with sleep apnoea (the difference being that humans can do this without waking up and dogs can't).
>The worst-affected dogs can be chronically sleep-deprived.
>How can you tell if it's something you should be concerned about?
>a) if your dog actively seeks out an object to hold in their mouth when they sleep
>b) if your dog suffers from sleep apnoea
>c) if they regularly/routinely fall asleep sitting up or with their heads propped up on eg the arm of a sofa or another dog.
That's fucked up
So in other words the dogs in those pictures are probably suffering a lot. Nice
I think we need to exterminate all toy dog breeds and set new breeding laws so there's no purebred deformed bullshit.
IDK about that, Chihuahuas are the healthiest breed of canine period.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to use them as backcrossing stock.
min pins too
ive had a few they all live long (late teens-20s) trouble free live
Toadline breeders are just show line breeders who are honest, they both want to make a breed look fucked up.
Memes aside, the FUCK is wrong with show breeders? There is something deeply fucked up and going horribly wrong in these people.
Take a look at what goes on with australian shepherd DNA ENTIRELY FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. The answer is, quite simply, that they are psychopaths. Neither of these genes should really exist, because they only work if every single pairing is very tightly controlled and only "real breeders" can mate dogs... obviously that runs counter to reality.
People who breed dogs carrying genes like these should really be shot. Multiple times. Just not in the head or heart. They would die too quickly.
Oh and yes people have purposefully bred double merle dogs, and tried to get double bobtail dogs to live, for the sole purpose of providing sires that can father litters that are entirely heterozygous for the trait. Why? They cost more money, and win more shows, because the paper of arbitrary standards says so! That's not all, breeders have also propagated genetic disease in working dogs entirely to keep them all pure whatevers.
http://www.border-wars.com/2016/03/how-we-know-wiston-cap-carried-collie-eye-anomaly.html
>oh no my dog looks normal this is terrible - aussie breeders
does it piss you off more because theyre supposed to be working dogs?
It does. And knowing that lots of very good herding dogs are not purebred from competition winners at all, so it's all completely pointless, unless your goal is to win competitions, not get the job done.
What's wrong with the "hell no" phenotype?
I recently learned it's the same with the cute dwarf bunnies. Any bunny that inherits two dwarf alleles dies soon after it's born. Not sure what to think of it ethically.
Nothing and breeders actuallt dont think there's anything wrong with it either.
GOOD breeders will always breed together 2 dogs that have the most compatibility. They will never breed 2 merles that have chances of throwing dead/db pups. Good breeders will keep 'boring' dogs with good genes. Good breeders will continue to breed those boring looking dogs to keep genetic diversity high.
Shitty breeders will ofc do shitty things and purposefully breed for Bob tails, merle, etc with no regard to genetic health. But 4chin and other adjacent retards like to think bad breeders = all breeders and this is simply not the case.
If dogs can’t reproduce without oversight they are sick. Merle is a disease.
Agreed. Purposefully breeding a merle should be under torture breeding laws. Accidental puppies are bad enough. Accidental puppies where some of them are severely deformed? Yeah no. Breeders are not perfectly in control so fatal genes like merle and bobtail just result in dead and suffering dogs.
First of all, outlawing breeding dogs would do nothing to improve the quality of the dog population. Breeders would simply shift their practices to other breeds of dogs, which would lead to even more genetic problems in the dogs. Furthermore, breeding dogs is a necessary part of the dog population in order to keep it healthy and adaptable.
Breeding dogs also helps to ensure that the dog population is healthy. For example, when a dog is bred with a specific purpose in mind, such as working or hunting, the resulting offspring is likely to be better suited for that purpose than if the dog was bred randomly. This ensures that the overall quality of the dog population is high.
Lastly, banning breeding dogs would be unconstitutional. The US Constitution guarantees the right to own and breed dogs, as long as the practice does not violate any other laws.
He didn't criticisized breeding dogs, he criticisized the way AKC breeds dogs. To my knowledge only that extreme anti-merle says it should be outlawed.
>The US Constitution guarantees the right to own and breed dogs, as long as the practice does not violate any other laws.
Then can't it be treated in a case by case basis? Surely this counts as animal abuse in most cases, therefore breaking a law
Lots of animals in the wild reproduce without oversight and end up fucking their sisters and producing some weird creatures.
Allowing dogs, any breed of dog, to reproduce willy nilly is a terrible awful no-good very bad idea.
Anon they really don’t. Inbred animals are normally pretty healthy for generation 1 and it’s rare.
Merle shit means if one dog fucks the wrong one you have deaf and blind pups. You create this risk for hurr durr pretty colors. It’s wrong.
>we vill always be responsible breeders honest!
Proven wrong already. Ban the breeding of merles. Spay and neuter every merle dog. Prosecute everyone who knowingly bred merles.
I'm not defending the purposeful breeding of merles but it's pretty dumb to say unregulated breeding is always the best way to go.
animals in the wild have instincts to avoid inbreeding. inbreeding goes up when humans drive them to extinction and destroy their habitat because we have a fucked up idea of how many animals there need to be.
there was once an island in canada with only two wolves left, a father and a daughter. they rejected each other as mates for ages until desperation finally set in.
Basically just the opposite of all the traits that particular lazy breeding wants. A normal tail, “boring” colors that don’t sell as much, and the wrong ears so it can’t even be shown or whatever.
Apparently a dog having perky ears, a full coat, and a tail means that it should be discarded.
The arbitrarily written standard says so
How the AKC works:
Find a handful of landrace dogs you think look pretty
Describe an ideal version of them
Inbreed the fuck out of them until they all look the same, 100% of the litter. Call your degeneracy “improving the breed”.
The AKC does not find a handful of "pretty" landrace dogs, de-characterize them, and then inbreed them until they all look the same. There are a variety of reasons why a dog may look "pretty," and it is not solely based on their physical appearance. For example, some dogs may look pretty because they have a well-muscled body, while others may look pretty because they have a beautiful coat. It is not the job of the AKC to determine which dogs are "pretty" and which are not, and furthermore, it is not their job to improve the breed by de-characterizing and inbreeding dogs who do not meet their arbitrary standards of "pretty."
The AKC does not arbitrarily decide which dogs are "pretty" and which are not. Instead, they rely on breed standards, which are set by experts who are knowledgeable about dog genetics and anatomy. The AKC does not de-characterize or inbreed dogs based on their appearance; they only do so if they believe that the dogs' physical features are not in line with the breed's standard. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that the AC does these things.
>it is not their job to improve the breed by de-characterizing and inbreeding dogs who do not meet their arbitrary standards of "pretty."
AND YET, THEY DO.
>The AKC does not arbitrarily decide which dogs are "pretty" and which are no
AND YET, THEY DO
>which are set by experts who are knowledgeable about dog genetics and anatomy
AND YET, THEY ARE SET BY VICTORIAN FUCKWITS, LEST THESE ABOMINATIONS WOULD NOT EXIST!
>. The AKC does not de-characterize or inbreed dogs based on their appearance
AND YET, THEY
>they only do so if they believe that the dogs' physical features are not in line with the breed's standard. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that the AC does these things.
DO!
breeding dogs for any purpose other than maximum lifespan degrades health. this is basic natural selection. if something is not selected for, it degrades. professionally bred dogs are not selected for a lifespan beyond 8 years, at which points dogs are retired from all services due to age. therefore, purebred dogs all tend towards a maximum lifespan of 8, as disorders that affect that stage of their life are not selected against.
only one dog has had its genome sequenced. we do not understand even 1% of its function. breeders are objectively not able to fix all their mistakes - such as breed specific cancer rates and idiopathic epilepsy - without culling entire bloodlines and starting over from landraces and wolves. WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS IN HUMANS.
This is objective fact. Not up for debate. Disagreement is not allowed. Understand? If you reply with any dissenting opinion, any more cheeky "safe and effective" propaganda styled ramblings, my only response will be to insult you. Do you understand, you hideous swine faced fuckwit?
this. we don't fully understand the genetics of longevity in humans, and we've clearly degraded them in dogs to a point where we would have to selectively breed dogs for lifespan because we have literally no fucking idea where the CRISPY-friendly dont-die switch is. this is so specific that we would be breeding out odd physical traits and neurotic behaviors like herding instinct, just like breeding for oddities requires discarding the odd unusually healthy dog, because a dog that lives to 20 is useless when your goal is having a dog herd sheep the fastest for the trials when it's 3. never mind that such breeding is pointless. farmers have never worried about their sheepdog working 30s faster in an artificial environment, and real working sheepdogs are more loosely bred.
>because a dog that lives to 20 is useless when your goal is having a dog herd sheep the fastest for the trials when it's 3. never mind that such breeding is pointless. farmers have never worried about their sheepdog working 30s faster in an artificial environment, and real working sheepdogs are more loosely bred
A lot of farmers are also trialists. Hard to be one when you don't have plenty of work for your dogs. Those that aren't are usually retired farmers with old dogs. Trialing isn't about the dog working 30sec faster though, that's not what he's judged on at all. There are time limits but they are generous.. Lot of these kinds of dogs live around 15 years average, even ones that are quite large and work well until they are 10 or so before they start to slow down due to worn joints and arthritis more than anything, and not so suited to the big jobs anymore
And a lot of trialists have nothing to do with farming beyond a hobby level, except, yknow, farming dogs.
If they can turn up to a big farm where trials are held and put their dog up a bigger hill than it's ever seen before and beat out farmers with 40 years experience using their dogs every day then good on them
And then their dog goes deaf at 5 and has a seizure and dies at the ripe old age of 6, thankfully, because their owner was seriously considering 30k on chemo for the several kinds of cancer they developed.
They don't win in the first place. Chances are their dog chases the sheep off through a fence and after a few minutes of frantic yelling it comes back with a rabbit
No, actually, their dog wins. They are bred entirely to 1: be 100% the breed and a great aesthetic example of it 2: also work at a competitive level. So they are a minefield of health problems. Then some retard farmer sees that, but not the years that follow, pays $10k to get one from the next litter, and even breeds them long before problems can even be obvious, so dogs are basically being bred to die before they turn 10.
I dunno what trials you are going to but not nz champs that's for sure
NZ dog gayry is a lot different from UK dog gayry and US dog transsexuality.
Got one here who is from semen from a dog who won 'world champs' in the UK. Pic related
>mix inbred collie with something else
>result is no longer pure inbred collie
>health problems vanish
>meanwhile in the UK
>by the queen that would be destroying the breed!
He's alright. Still a young fulla. Names slim
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I hope his name is the only thing that's slim iykwim.../10
He's just mad there is a unit load of lambs going on a truck 10 meters away and he's not allowed to turn it into absolute chaos
80 million sheeps will do that
Aussiefag there was thinking of the dog sausage
Based. If I knew you in real life I'd like to run a breeding system together.
Selectively breeding for dogs who mature slower, make litters later in life, and live longer without medical help.
Same thing wrong with today's warped beauty standards and what people masturbate to on IG.
Same thing that's wrong with beauty pageants and modeling.
Show dog breeders are filth and every step taken away from their idiocy improves dogs greatly
Appearance should only be a criteria for avoiding deformity. Since god knows better than man, anything that deviates from natural canids too much is deformed.