>ITT retards that dont understand difference between pressure and simply brute force, also bite force quotient
"Orcas have an estimated bite force of 19,000 PSI "
"Squirrels, on the other hand - not only have razor sharp (and ridiculously strong) rodent teeth - but they use them with AT LEAST 7,000 psi of bite force; but have been shown to bite at 22,000 psi, as adults."
>a eurasian wolf easily
delusional. a gray wolf is perfectly capable of killing larger dogs due to its superior bite force. a wolf bite is stronger than a lion's. the mastiff would be at severe risk of death while the wolf wouldn't be very threatened, at best you can hope that the dog drives the wolf back but in a fight to the death, I'd give the wolf 90% odds
it's an estimate by biologists due to the skull size and shape of the wolf, official measurements on the wolf's bite force have never been conducted properly but we have data on hyenas and other dog breeds, and by comparing the size and shape of the skull of these animals to the wolf a rough estimate can be arrived at
some dog breeds have been recorded to reach 700 psi at the absolute highest, while having weaker jaws and smaller skulls than the average wolf. a hyena can reach upwards of 1100 psi in official measurements, while having a similar sized skull, slightly harder but weaker jaw
1 month ago
Anonymous
>it's an estimate by biologists
Okay but which ones?
their size varies by country but on average they're between 70-80 cm tall which is about on par with tibetan mastiffs. they weigh anywhere from 32 to 89 kg which is a pretty huge range but an average sized one would be around the same weight as a mastiff as well (60 kg)
>a wolf bite is stronger than a lion's
A lion’s bite is about three times stronger
it's an estimate by biologists due to the skull size and shape of the wolf, official measurements on the wolf's bite force have never been conducted properly but we have data on hyenas and other dog breeds, and by comparing the size and shape of the skull of these animals to the wolf a rough estimate can be arrived at
some dog breeds have been recorded to reach 700 psi at the absolute highest, while having weaker jaws and smaller skulls than the average wolf. a hyena can reach upwards of 1100 psi in official measurements, while having a similar sized skull, slightly harder but weaker jaw
>official measurements on the wolf's bite force have never been conducted properly but we have data on hyenas and other dog breeds
This is false. A 34 kg wolf had a bite force recorded of 593 Newtons vs a 290 kg lion with a bite force of over 1700 Newtons. Now that’s an especially large lion and a pretty average wolf, but even then a tiger weighing a pretty average 180 kg in the same study had a bite force of 1500 newtons so it doesn’t make a huge difference
what study is that? i looked around and there are no concrete numbers for any of this shit, they seem to vary wildly depending on who is measuring them. one test found a wolf's bite to be 400 psi while another found it to be 600 psi. some dog breeds have bite forces upwards of 700 psi despite having much smaller and weaker jaw than wolves, strongly implying that bite forces varie a lot depending on the test. one such test found a lion's bite to be around 650 psi, apparently weaker than some dogs.
until the tests are significantly improved and standardized i wouldn't put any stock into this
Their main role is to dissuade predators, I believe it could go up against a wolf, maybe a leopard if it's aware of its presence but it won't have good odds against them, and it absolutely will get shredded by a bear, let alone a fucking tiger.
You're correct, I apologize for the poor wording, I'm a bit woozy from medication (please don't misunderstand, I'm not a druggie I just sustained an injury), what I meant to say is that the mastiff would have the "bravery" to go up against those.
Leopards are rather small cats, a large dog would "win" most fights if it squared up with one. By that I mean the Leopard would retreat before it sustained an injury. A cornered Leopard is a different story, but it is not like it would win every time.
Some big Leopards you got there, don't they average like 70-80 pounds? Sure, some grow well in excess of 100 pounds, even closing in on 200, but the average is small.
The self control exhibited by well-bred mastiffs is astounding. That dog could have easily bit down harder and ripped the pitbulls throat out, but it only wanted to go far enough to just make it hurt. Sometimes they just walk away from a fight they think is stupid. Even border collies have enough bite force to sever large chunks of the human body and mastiffs have double that.
I was only bit by a mastiff once and they gave me some pretty bad bruises. Later that year, the same mastiff tore an entire leg off a stray dog that rushed its owner on a walk. It's a world of difference away from pitbulls, that are always "game" as in they always, without exception, attack to kill, even if it was only for a minor annoyance.
For those wondering, the now removed video anon is replying to was showcasing a dogfight from what looked like China where a pitbull and a mastiff were let loose to attack each other. Within about ten seconds, the mastiff had the pitbull pinned to the ground, it’s jaw around the pit’s neck, where it dragged the dog around until it eventually had stopped struggling, where a couple of humans dragged the pit bull away similar to as if it was at a concert and had just ran up onto the stage and screamed a slur and was now being dragged away by security, as it sort of gave a look of disappointment as it stared at the mastiff, it’s face dragging against the ground as it was pulled away by its legs in shame. The video quality was somewhat low, but it looked like the mastiff hadn’t really ravaged the pitbull, and had actually caused only minor damage to its neck as it held the dog down. Then, the camera panned to the mastiff, who had a jolly little smile on his face. As such, (
Can it beat a pitbull
), yes, a mastiff can certainly subdue a pitbull, let alone kill it, though pinning that creature to the ground and still keeping it alive may be a harder task than just biting it’s head off.
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i actually just saw a webm on /gif/ the other day of one of these fucking demolishing a pigger.
wasn't even close, the pigger could do nothing. it was almost like it was intended to be a bait dog for it. i'll look and see if it's still up and crosslink it if it's possible to do so. if i can even figure out how.
Where do you even find footage of this shit (outside of /gif/ I mean, I assume they had to find it somewhere else to post it)
Liveleak is dead
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have a nice day, you wannabe fucking jannie. The guy gave everyone fair warning what they were about to see and it's completely relevant to the thread. If you're not baiting you're just being a gay jerk for no reason. chud pedo fucking homo.
in a weird way, it's kind of abusive to not let fighting dogs fight.
it's like if you kept a pointer from pointing. he'd go just as insane and snap like a pitbull does. every fiber of the dog's genetics is telling it it is supposed to fight, yet it's punished and yelled at when it acts even slightly aggressive. it's a recipe for disaster.
basically, though a tibetan mastiff is a fighting dog.
you got that feel to you like your eyes just glaze over and you screech your political opinion on repeat.
1 month ago
Anonymous
irrelevant and still a bannable offense. animal cruelty shouldn't exist on a blue board
1 month ago
Anonymous
maybe your janny application won't get rejected next time.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>yeah these dogs like fighting so maybe it should allowed
dumbass kek
Pitbulls are absolute shit in combat, they're low weight and their frame is too lean. Not to mention their fur is too thin and short. Their strength lies in their moron tier intellect by which i mean once they bite something they'll never ever let it go. They lack any sort of self preservation instinct.
Pitbulls are absolute shit in combat, they're low weight and their frame is too lean. Not to mention their fur is too thin and short. Their strength lies in their moron tier intellect by which i mean once they bite something they'll never ever let it go. They lack any sort of self preservation instinct.
i actually just saw a webm on /gif/ the other day of one of these fucking demolishing a pigger.
wasn't even close, the pigger could do nothing. it was almost like it was intended to be a bait dog for it. i'll look and see if it's still up and crosslink it if it's possible to do so. if i can even figure out how.
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i actually just saw a webm on /gif/ the other day of one of these fucking demolishing a pigger.
wasn't even close, the pigger could do nothing. it was almost like it was intended to be a bait dog for it. i'll look and see if it's still up and crosslink it if it's possible to do so. if i can even figure out how.
I know exactly which webm you're talking about, pitbull was going insane and the moment the owner let him off the leash the Mastiff practically crushed his throat and couldn't do anything, whole time all you heard was the Mastiff taking some deep breaths. What's impressive was just before the Mastiff went right up the pitbull and was completely calm with no reaction
idk about a grey wolf, but any of the smaller wolf breeds probably die.
all big cats kill it, no exception. their strength is just incredible.
i don't think there's any bears it would stand a chance against.
Leopards are rather small cats, a large dog would "win" most fights if it squared up with one. By that I mean the Leopard would retreat before it sustained an injury. A cornered Leopard is a different story, but it is not like it would win every time.
>ITT retards that dont understand difference between pressure and simply brute force, also bite force quotient
"Orcas have an estimated bite force of 19,000 PSI "
"Squirrels, on the other hand - not only have razor sharp (and ridiculously strong) rodent teeth - but they use them with AT LEAST 7,000 psi of bite force; but have been shown to bite at 22,000 psi, as adults."
IDK about this dog but a pittbull could fend off a tiger or bear, probably beat wolves easily.. pitbulls are beasts man
Game bred pittie can beat hippos
whoever wins, we lose
>a wolf
a eurasian wolf easily, a timber wolf or an arctic wolf would slaughter any dog however
>lion, leopard, bear
not a chance
>a eurasian wolf easily
delusional. a gray wolf is perfectly capable of killing larger dogs due to its superior bite force. a wolf bite is stronger than a lion's. the mastiff would be at severe risk of death while the wolf wouldn't be very threatened, at best you can hope that the dog drives the wolf back but in a fight to the death, I'd give the wolf 90% odds
what's a wolf's bite force?
400 psi at the lowest estimate but can reach up to 1200 psi
>can reach up to 1200 psi
Where was this calculated?
it's an estimate by biologists due to the skull size and shape of the wolf, official measurements on the wolf's bite force have never been conducted properly but we have data on hyenas and other dog breeds, and by comparing the size and shape of the skull of these animals to the wolf a rough estimate can be arrived at
some dog breeds have been recorded to reach 700 psi at the absolute highest, while having weaker jaws and smaller skulls than the average wolf. a hyena can reach upwards of 1100 psi in official measurements, while having a similar sized skull, slightly harder but weaker jaw
>it's an estimate by biologists
Okay but which ones?
myself
>delusional
eurasian wolves are midges, barely bigger than a jackal
a tibetan would fuck one up 1v1 easily
their size varies by country but on average they're between 70-80 cm tall which is about on par with tibetan mastiffs. they weigh anywhere from 32 to 89 kg which is a pretty huge range but an average sized one would be around the same weight as a mastiff as well (60 kg)
>a wolf bite is stronger than a lion's
It absolutely isn’t. A lion’s is much, much stronger
>a wolf bite is stronger than a lion's
A lion’s bite is about three times stronger
>official measurements on the wolf's bite force have never been conducted properly but we have data on hyenas and other dog breeds
This is false. A 34 kg wolf had a bite force recorded of 593 Newtons vs a 290 kg lion with a bite force of over 1700 Newtons. Now that’s an especially large lion and a pretty average wolf, but even then a tiger weighing a pretty average 180 kg in the same study had a bite force of 1500 newtons so it doesn’t make a huge difference
what study is that? i looked around and there are no concrete numbers for any of this shit, they seem to vary wildly depending on who is measuring them. one test found a wolf's bite to be 400 psi while another found it to be 600 psi. some dog breeds have bite forces upwards of 700 psi despite having much smaller and weaker jaw than wolves, strongly implying that bite forces varie a lot depending on the test. one such test found a lion's bite to be around 650 psi, apparently weaker than some dogs.
until the tests are significantly improved and standardized i wouldn't put any stock into this
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news ... strongest/
Their main role is to dissuade predators, I believe it could go up against a wolf, maybe a leopard if it's aware of its presence but it won't have good odds against them, and it absolutely will get shredded by a bear, let alone a fucking tiger.
leopard would kill one 10/10
You're correct, I apologize for the poor wording, I'm a bit woozy from medication (please don't misunderstand, I'm not a druggie I just sustained an injury), what I meant to say is that the mastiff would have the "bravery" to go up against those.
They were bred to fend off snow leopards
snowleopard =/= leopard and
fend off =/= kill
Leopards are rather small cats, a large dog would "win" most fights if it squared up with one. By that I mean the Leopard would retreat before it sustained an injury. A cornered Leopard is a different story, but it is not like it would win every time.
A leopard averages around 120-130 pounds. Dogs stop being functional at a certain weight while big cats retain agility and gain strength
Some big Leopards you got there, don't they average like 70-80 pounds? Sure, some grow well in excess of 100 pounds, even closing in on 200, but the average is small.
All leopard subspecies average out to be 120s-130s. Big leopard are forest leopards from congo, Persian leopards and sri Lanka.
leopards regularly kill large dogs in india
The self control exhibited by well-bred mastiffs is astounding. That dog could have easily bit down harder and ripped the pitbulls throat out, but it only wanted to go far enough to just make it hurt. Sometimes they just walk away from a fight they think is stupid. Even border collies have enough bite force to sever large chunks of the human body and mastiffs have double that.
I was only bit by a mastiff once and they gave me some pretty bad bruises. Later that year, the same mastiff tore an entire leg off a stray dog that rushed its owner on a walk. It's a world of difference away from pitbulls, that are always "game" as in they always, without exception, attack to kill, even if it was only for a minor annoyance.
>I CAN'T BREATHE
lol
For those wondering, the now removed video anon is replying to was showcasing a dogfight from what looked like China where a pitbull and a mastiff were let loose to attack each other. Within about ten seconds, the mastiff had the pitbull pinned to the ground, it’s jaw around the pit’s neck, where it dragged the dog around until it eventually had stopped struggling, where a couple of humans dragged the pit bull away similar to as if it was at a concert and had just ran up onto the stage and screamed a slur and was now being dragged away by security, as it sort of gave a look of disappointment as it stared at the mastiff, it’s face dragging against the ground as it was pulled away by its legs in shame. The video quality was somewhat low, but it looked like the mastiff hadn’t really ravaged the pitbull, and had actually caused only minor damage to its neck as it held the dog down. Then, the camera panned to the mastiff, who had a jolly little smile on his face. As such, (
), yes, a mastiff can certainly subdue a pitbull, let alone kill it, though pinning that creature to the ground and still keeping it alive may be a harder task than just biting it’s head off.
Where do you even find footage of this shit (outside of /gif/ I mean, I assume they had to find it somewhere else to post it)
Liveleak is dead
unironically youtube
I feel like youtube would autoban them. Even some live feeding snake/monitor lizard channels are getting taken down
>@4448414
>@4448425
>@4448432
>@4448437
>@4448443
have a nice day, you wannabe fucking jannie. The guy gave everyone fair warning what they were about to see and it's completely relevant to the thread. If you're not baiting you're just being a gay jerk for no reason. chud pedo fucking homo.
meds
this is animal abuse
in a weird way, it's kind of abusive to not let fighting dogs fight.
it's like if you kept a pointer from pointing. he'd go just as insane and snap like a pitbull does. every fiber of the dog's genetics is telling it it is supposed to fight, yet it's punished and yelled at when it acts even slightly aggressive. it's a recipe for disaster.
>bla bla bla
animal abuse is a bannable offense
hmmm. you got that same vibe as npc political spammers.
like a glass-eyed robot or some shit.
>he didn't engage in my offtopic babble so he's a npc
basically, though a tibetan mastiff is a fighting dog.
you got that feel to you like your eyes just glaze over and you screech your political opinion on repeat.
irrelevant and still a bannable offense. animal cruelty shouldn't exist on a blue board
maybe your janny application won't get rejected next time.
>yeah these dogs like fighting so maybe it should allowed
dumbass kek
fuck off retard
>harming pitbulls
It's not animal abuse. it's the right thing to do.
woof woof
wow he killed him
nah, he's still alive.
just choked out, he's partially conscious.
A mountain lion would probably kill it easily let alone a leopard or lion
And a big brown bear could easily kill one of those
>wolf
no
>lion
no
>leopard
no
>bear
no
>tiger
no
Can it beat a pitbull
Forget pitbull, any beaner-Hispanic's chihuahua will tear those animals to pieces
Pitbulls are absolute shit in combat, they're low weight and their frame is too lean. Not to mention their fur is too thin and short. Their strength lies in their moron tier intellect by which i mean once they bite something they'll never ever let it go. They lack any sort of self preservation instinct.
>Pitbulls are absolute shit in combat,
Why do you gotta lie in da interwebs?
pibble paws typed this post
i actually just saw a webm on /gif/ the other day of one of these fucking demolishing a pigger.
wasn't even close, the pigger could do nothing. it was almost like it was intended to be a bait dog for it. i'll look and see if it's still up and crosslink it if it's possible to do so. if i can even figure out how.
I remember seeing a webm of a baby tiger chained to a wall mauling the fuck out of an adult pitbul who attacked it
I know exactly which webm you're talking about, pitbull was going insane and the moment the owner let him off the leash the Mastiff practically crushed his throat and couldn't do anything, whole time all you heard was the Mastiff taking some deep breaths. What's impressive was just before the Mastiff went right up the pitbull and was completely calm with no reaction
Yeah, there are videos of them doing that.
>can this dog kill a stronger predator 4+ times it’s size?
No
idk about a grey wolf, but any of the smaller wolf breeds probably die.
all big cats kill it, no exception. their strength is just incredible.
i don't think there's any bears it would stand a chance against.
could take a cheetah though, no problem.
no
leopards look so cool
is that an amur leopard? pretty sure those are larger than average
A wolf yes. A cat of around the same weight? It would have to get lucky. The paw dexterity is going to get it every time.
Forgot to add
>a bear
Nope.