Considering putting a shock collar on my dog, he keeps barking at people on our walks and leash corrections aren’t working.
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Considering putting a shock collar on my dog, he keeps barking at people on our walks and leash corrections aren’t working.
how are there so many people being so autistic about this shit
dogs are not little furbabbies, they're fucking animals, it is up to the owner how to train his animal and it is the owners responsibility to make sure the dog is not a danger to society
is the training method used to maliciously injure/cripple the dog? no? then shut the fuck up
dogs need discipline, one way or another
A dog that needs special harsh treatment to hopefully not kill people usually kills people anyways
Just putt the mutt down
absolute retard take
why train dogs at all, most would attack people on sight anyway
The majority of untrained and lightly dogs are not likely to attack people at all. For most of their domestication people didn’t know about training. Aggressive animals were killed and nice ones were allowed to live.
what the fuck do you think domestication is
Obviously no one was shocking their wolves and saying “its how you raise them” or we wouldn’t have docile retard dogs that don’t have an ounce of aggression in their body.
wtf are you trying to say?
if you think dogs didnt get disciplined with physical punishment during their domestication, you quite literally have no idea what you are on about
The descendants of those dogs that were kept despite being dangerous are the ones that mostly attack and kill other people and dogs today. Way back when, cavemen wanted a dangerous animal that feared them but killed everything else.
nobody walked those gays for fun either, they held them close by for protection or chained them up by the door.
I would put a shock collar on myself and give control to my hvsky wîfe
I got the exact model in pic related for my great dane. He wasn't barking a people but he barks at other dogs, and not just barking but lunging with the intent on fighting the other dog and he's huge and strong and almost pulled me into busy streets a few times. And if he can't get to the other dog he'll redirect and bite me instead.
Nothing else was working. He's not food motivated so I can't distract him or reward him for not reacting with treats even I were carrying a whole rotisserie chicken on me during a walk. It got to the point where I either had to walk him night or have to quickly blind fold him if I ever saw someone else walking their dog. I tried a vibrating collar first and he just ended up getting used to it after like one day. Ecollar + prong collar for positioning worked like a miracle.
Does it hurt? Yeah a little bit. Try it on yourself. It's nothing compared to getting bit by a great dane, which is like getting your hand slammed in a car door.
Is it abuse? No. You're not going to burn a hole in your dog or anything and with enough adrenaline/fixation on something, your dog can completely ignore it and still try to go after the thing he's not supposed to go after. And your dog isn't going to end up fearful or skittish. Also people use these things on themselves for goofy steaming content, they can't actually injure you, they're just not very fun. I'd just say stubbing your toe is much worse.
I don't even have to use it anymore because he knows if he kicks off, I'll zap the shit out of him. Overall our relationship has improved and I can take him on longer walks in more interesting places and we're no longer limited to a single route where I know there won't be other dogs around.
I would have just put that dog down. If you need to do the equivalent of hitting your dog (but less offensive to the public) to keep them from attempting to kill you and other people, it's not trained, you just put off the mauling to a later date, probably when someone other than you has to take care of the dog.
Most people who train dogs with E collars don't even shock the dog, it feels like a light buzz or gentle pinch. If you are using spikes that cram into his trachea and painful shocks and NEED to in order to prevent maulings PUT THE DOG DOWN. Don't be a pit mommy.
you're the one who sounds like a pit mommy if you think a prong collar causes injury to the trachea and that dogs will be mentally unstable and emotionally broken for life if they are humanely disciplined a couple of times.
Also what kind of logic is it to just kill a dog rather than pinching him until realizes that attacking other dogs = bad and working through the issue?
You sound pretty autistic.
Prong collars causing injury is an established fact.
It’s the same amount of pain as a good kick to the ribs and as dangerous. I’m saying your dog is still dangerous especially without you present and a liability and you’re a pit mommy if you don’t treat it like one.
zero research was done in this thread.
Your established 'facts' are all pitmommy and positive reinforcement only cuck propaganda and five minutes of looking it up would prove you wrong.
>my dog has this issue that with a little research and training is completely resolvable, better just kill him instead
Any experienced dog trainer that isn't that retarded bong woman from Animal Planet would call you a stupid gay
>same amount of pain as a good kick to the ribs and as dangerous
I have literally put this thing around my neck on the highest setting. You're just talking out of your ass now.
Don't listen to these idiots, OP. Do a quick youtube search for reviews by professional dog trainers and you'd be surprised what you find.
>hurr durr cucks durr cucks durrr
It hurts. You hurt dogs. Deal with it sissy. Do you think that's wrong? Are you offended because you hurt a dog? You are so retard
>spanking children isn't abuse, it's humane discipline, i only used a paddle instead of punching them in the face!
That's you. You hurt your dog. Be a man and accept that.
If I, myself, had your dog, I would not waste my time and money on these sanitized sissy replacements for hitting dogs. I would just smack it.
And when it turned to bite me I would have removed its skull with a 12 gauge. That isn't something you train out. I would never trust that dog again. It would die. Better a dead dog than a mauled child because the missus didn't say leave it or hit the zap button at the right time.
There's no evidence that hitting your dog correctly is harmful either. Just saying, sissy. Either you are okay with hurting dogs and you view them as dumb unfeeling farm equipment or you are not.
>buy dog bred to pull
>hurt it because you don't like it pulling
Aversive training methods are not the same as hitting dogs. Hitting dogs is an act of violence and cruelty, while the use of aversive methods is based on the principle that our primary goal is to train the dog in a way that is beneficial to both the dog and the person using the method. In fact, many of the so-called "aversive" methods used to train dogs – including shaking, spraying, and punishing with a verbal command – have been shown to be more effective than using physical punishment in the training of dogs.
The prong collar was designed specifically for dogs that were bred to keep livestock under control. (e.g. Greater Swiss Mountain Dog)
A prong collar is not cruel and is actually helpful in controlling a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog's behavior. It is important to use a collar that is the appropriate size for your dog and fits properly to avoid injuries. A properly fitted collar will not harm your dog, and may in fact help to control their behavior.
>i'm not hurting the dog its an "aversive training method"
Alright soiboy. A shock feels as bad as a good kick in the ribs.
>i'ts not hurting the dog i'm CONTROLLING the dog
Nah you're hurting it. Does that bother you? You got a working dog you don't need and now you smack it around to try and make it fit your soi city lifestyle. Grow up and face the reality. What you're doing isn't wrong but the way you're describing it is. You sound like one of those liberal gays that eats bacon but gets mad when chinachads eat dogs.
Aversive methods aren't cruel because they can cause animals to experience unpleasant sensations and emotions.
Grow some balls.
>It's not cruel just because they experience unpleasant sensations and emotions
So hurting the dog is not cruel? I never said anything about it being cruel. You added that in.
I said you're sanitizing your worldview with 1984 newspeak to be a hypocrite and deny what you are actually doing. Shock collars and hitting your dog with well controlled hits, kicks, and stick whacks are equally painful. Neither is more or less cruel than the other. You either think it is okay to hurt dogs or you do not, and I don't care and can't stop you, but do not use this TV friendly language with me. It's as stupid and leftist as calling a prison an "education center for the culturally impaired".
>aversive methods [hurting animals] aren't cruel because they can cause animals to experience unpleasant sensations and emotions [pain and suffering]
i respect people who completely deny that dogs have subjective experiences more than i respect people who say shit like this.
dog people are 100% insane
Aversive Training =/= Animal Cruelty
The notion that aversive training methods are animal cruelty is unfounded and is based on outdated assumptions about the nature of animals. Aversive training methods, such as pinch, electric shocks, and food deprivation, are used to maximize the animal's response to a specific task, without causing any pain or discomfort. These methods are based on the principle that animals are capable of feeling pleasure and pain, and that punishment and rewards can be used to achieve desirable behaviors.
Answer this question with a yes or no.
Is hitting your dog but not hard enough to break anything "animal cruelty" if you do it "for training"? If it is, then shocks and choke collars are also animal cruelty. If it isn't, I don't care either. I hit my dog all the time. As a pitbull owner it's my responsibility to make that gay realize who his master and owner is. But, I'd also blow his head off if he turned on me.
Dogs know what they are doing. Bites do not get redirected. If you get bit you have a human aggressive dog, kill it.
>without causing pain
>by the way i was just talking about how causing pain isn't cruel
See you're a bot so I'm not actually responding to you, I'm just going off on my own tangent because your responses won't be intellectually valid seeing as you aren't sapient.
There is no general consensus on how to answer this question, as there can be several reasons why someone may hit their dog without causing any serious injury. Some people may believe that hitting a dog for purposes of training is not truly cruel, as the dog may understand that it is being punished and that the pain is meant to be disciplinary. Others may believe that any form of physical punishment, even if it is not very hard, is still excessive and cannot be considered humane.
Your dog is going to snap one day and you'd better hope your gun is on you otherwise your nose is gone.
Kek at Unpleasent Sensations = Pain & Suffering
>AH! AH ! !Q
it's not a prison its an education camp for the culturally impaired. nobody is being held captive. they are just required to stay until they have been properly educated. there is a massive difference between holding someone captive and forcing them to participate in learning to be good moral law abiding citizens.
>brings up gulags
The absolute state of Dogfuckers.
Prong collars are often considered to be safer than traditional collars because they prevent escape by strangulation. Prong collars are often used by dog owners who believe that they are more effective in restraining their dog.
Most Swiss mountain dog
owners prefer to use prong collars, often citing safety and behavioral benefits.
I don't use that dog choking shit. When my dog pulls on the leash when I say to go slow I just smack them. It takes 1 smack for a smart dog and 3 or 4 for a dumb one like a husky.
your average mild mannered huskollie retriever would be fucked up by that. shocks and prongs are associated with dicklets that keep dumb aggressive dogs for a reason.
shock and prong collars hurt. get over it. are you afraid to admit you hurt a dog or do you just make excuses for everything?
>”redirected” the bite to me
in. ex. cusable. i would have shot your gay dog the same day if i was on the other end of a “redirected” bite. dogs that bite people for any reason short of justifiable self defense or property defense should be put down. they do not need trained. they do not need a second chance. a dog biting its owner is not acceptable. never.
There is no reasonable evidence to suggest that shock collars or prong collars are harmful to dogs. Any discomfort or discomfort that a shock collar may cause is likely outweighed by the benefits of training your dog with a shock collar. In fact, shock collars are some of the most effective and commonly used training tools available.
Bark collars can effectively reduce barking in dogs. This is due to the stimulation that the collars provide to the dogs' cranial nerve VII, which is responsible for barking.
There is scientific evidence that excessive barking can cause brain damage. This can lead to problems such as reduced memory and learning, as well as difficulty solving problems. In extreme cases, excessive barking can even lead to seizures.
The Greater Swiss Mountain Dog was bred to pull carts, so they need regular use of prong collars to avoid pulling on the leash.
a less aggressive dog would end up fearful and skittish with that treatment. your dog on the other hand shouldn't be in public without a muzzle, shackles, and at least two chains.
Train your dog, Mengele.
Get on of those ones that vibrate instead
made by Garmin
best bark training collar around
Socialise your dog.
Not an e-collar, get an anti-bark collar.
Train your dog, you simple-minded little spastic. Don't abuse your dog just because you are incapable of training him.
train your dog
Normies deserve to be barked at