Can rats really bond with you? I've been heavily considering buying some pet rats recently.

Can rats really bond with you? I've been heavily considering buying some pet rats recently. I've heard a lot of people say that rats can bond with their human owners but I wanna settle this, can they?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    rrat

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, like most mammals, they will when you get them as baby

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
    As creatures get bigger, more brain power is required simply for controlling their larger bodies. A good estimative of brain power in the sense we understand is through the encephalization quoeficient, which is closer to the "net amount" of brain a creature has.

    I also found this video very interesting:

    It highlights some of the differences between the internal perception of reality amongst different creatures.

    Overall, intelligence is the product of many things: relative brain size, neural density, synapse efficiency, neural cell specialization, epigenetics, and that's just the few major factors I can recall right now. You shouldn't assume a creature is smarter or dumber because it appears simple or small - intelligence is more dependent on how much pressure natural selection put on the creature. Rats are social animals - that alone usually means they're extremelly smart, as that's not only a quality which requires a lot of intelligence to even pull it off but also one which rewards intelligence due its social benefits on top of wilderness survival.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmao schizos cant go even 10 post before blurting about le hecking natzees

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nazis aka pedophiles: u must never have pets only children muh hwite birthra... i mean, having a family is based and trad.
      >non-pedophiles: why not both
      >nazis: >:(

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why not both
        im a nazi and I say that, so

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they are cool pets but live very little

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, we have a rat general so you can avoid this shit.
    Rats will have unique personalities and bonding can vary from rat to rat but generally if they're handled from a young age, they will bond with you.
    As warned they live 2 to 3 years, either you can get used to it or not.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you anon, I'm just wondering, how intelligent are rats? I've been very inquisitive on this subject for the past few days. Sometimes I see videos of rats and they seem almost soulful, but then sometimes they seem like these creatures who don't even remember anything past a five-minute window. Tell me anon, how complex is a rat's intelligence?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's kinda hard to define. They're good at noticing patterns & routines and where & when to interact in them e.g. when & how to get my attention when passing. Their building and puzzling solving skills are impressive. I think they're prone to panic and target fixation at times e.g. seem to panic they'll miss a treat and walk straight off something.
        It does vary between rats, even brothers can be a smart guy and a trier.
        Some other stuff
        Rat communication: https://youtu.be/25LYVxTUZhM?si=3nITi__rQlB9dHlN
        Rat planning: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rats-use-the-power-of-imagination-to-navigate-and-move-objects-in-a-vr-landscape/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rats have "impressive" skills because they are simply mammals and easy to study with scientific rigour, thereby impressively defining their skills. If they were any more complex, they would behave more irrationally from our POV (theory of mind is mere theory, they are internally rational according to their own experience) and experiments would be too difficult to control.

          You need to remember these things have tiny, tiny brains and represent something barely above the baseline for mammalian intelligence. Everything rats do, every larger mammal does, usually better, and the only difference is larger, smarter mammals do not repeatedly do it for scientists under bizarre laboratory conditions or their behavior is so complex and based on so many unique, internal perceptions that we can not decipher it without technological mind reading.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the only difference is larger, smarter mammals do not repeatedly do it for scientists under bizarre laboratory conditions or their behavior is so complex and based on so many unique
            That proves cats being the most intellectually advanced mammal pet.
            >Rats, dogs and pigs would mindlessly follow lab experiment instructions.
            >Cats don't
            Periodwgw2

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It actually means cats are smarter than rats, but in what specific ways, we can not know 100%, because our theory of mind is incompatible with their reality of mind.

              They are also dumb in unique ways that we do not and probably won't truly understand for a long, long time. Their brains are alien, almost like a different species.

              >tiny, tiny brains and represent something barely above the baseline for mammalian intelligence
              Or demonstrates how efficiently it can be done
              >do not repeatedly do it for scientists under bizarre laboratory conditions
              Take your pick of PF Skinner experiments. A lot of mammals are as trainable as rats and could be considered more complex e.g. Rhesus monkeys
              >we can not decipher it without technological mind reading
              Like was needed in the second link?
              I think the other post demonstrates they are more complex than people perceive and not as limited by their tiny brains as you might think.

              >No bro rats are totally more efficient and their tiny brains dont limit them and
              Or maybe, trainability is a very primitive thing that doesn't require a lot of brainpower, and it's important we don't conflate it with intelligence because an entire civilization has been trying and failing to train me to get a real job and follow the speed limit, and I reliably get 120-130 on real life proctored IQ tests.

              A rat is not as smart as a rhesus monkey. A rhesus monkey is just as cooperative for food, which makes sense because the ones cooperating with it are also other primates who have an innate, unconscious knowledge of primate tendencies.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >tiny, tiny brains and represent something barely above the baseline for mammalian intelligence
                Or demonstrates how efficiently it can be done
                >do not repeatedly do it for scientists under bizarre laboratory conditions
                Take your pick of PF Skinner experiments. A lot of mammals are as trainable as rats and could be considered more complex e.g. Rhesus monkeys
                >we can not decipher it without technological mind reading
                Like was needed in the second link?
                I think the other post demonstrates they are more complex than people perceive and not as limited by their tiny brains as you might think.

                I will add that monkeys are not a fair comparison - very few creatures look smart next to them. Dolphins, octupuses, crows and monkeys are more or less the smartests creatures around.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                le internet IQ brag

                crows have fricking tiny brains but studies show them to be pretty smart

                the main reason there aren't studies on lots of other animals is because it's hard to get funding and then it's hard to take care of them and also hard to get IACUC approval, not because other animals are unstudiable

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              One thing I've noticed about cats is they seem to understand what's going on on TV. They really like Tom and Jerry. It's fascinating.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tiny, tiny brains and represent something barely above the baseline for mammalian intelligence
            Or demonstrates how efficiently it can be done
            >do not repeatedly do it for scientists under bizarre laboratory conditions
            Take your pick of PF Skinner experiments. A lot of mammals are as trainable as rats and could be considered more complex e.g. Rhesus monkeys
            >we can not decipher it without technological mind reading
            Like was needed in the second link?
            I think the other post demonstrates they are more complex than people perceive and not as limited by their tiny brains as you might think.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, they can’t. Rat lovers are some of the biggest pet copers on the planet, they’re bottom tier rodents, and rodents are already bottom tier animals.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you want a real bond get yourself a nice wife and kids
    pets are poor placeholders for family bonding

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Low IQ take. Understanding that our non-human family members are family members is literally older than written history.
      See: smithsonianmag DOT com SLASH smart-news SLASH people-buried-their-dogs-them-4000-years-ago-180971502

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If making an entirely new person is the only way you can get someone to love you you can be sure that your kids will grow up to despise you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly this, but realistically it's just not feasible for most people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just so you know, this is a neo-nazi trying really, really, REALLY hard to say "if you put resources into anything but making 30 white babies it's probably a israeli plot".

      Ironically hitler himself kept pets and this is a feature of the nu-right which is state controlled opposition, founded and directed by CIA plants in order to control elections and pre-emptively neuter social movements.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        fricking alt right nutzis never shut up with their pet hate.
        >Are rats good pets?
        >OMG CHILD SUBSTITUTES THIS IS WHERE OUR BIRTH RATES WENT
        >cost of feeding a fricking rat: $5/month
        they didn't come up with this on their own because every alt right icon has a dog or something. it's definitely an idea implanted in their tiny 85 IQ brains to make them easier to dislike.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >paying $5 on gourmet rat chow
          Just give it your leftover garbage for free. Rats love that shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          careful with that talk of IQ incel, you sound like a nazi yourself

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just so you know, your house smells like cat piss.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Cats outta nowhere
          The nazi's next line will be something about dog rape, I'm sure of it.

          >Noooo stop having pets just get a wife and have kids HAVE KIDS HAVE KIDS
          They are not mutually exclusive, you fool. But what would you know about critical thinking?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >this is a feature of the nu-right which is state controlled opposition, founded and directed by CIA plants in order to control elections and pre-emptively neuter social movements.
        probably true to an extent but basedcialists/cummunists are even worse in that regard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unfortunately it isn't even a neo nazi, it's a moronic boomer, they're much more common and less universally despised

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >simply do [EXTREMELY DIFFICULT THING]

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's very easy for normies

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Above 50% divorce rate says it isn't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've reckoned with the idea of having a family. Sometimes, you gotta know when to roll with the punches. You gotta know when to double down on your autism, and when to start adopting normie aspects and just live in a house full of pets that just smells like piss all day and it's a huge hassle and the parasites from cat shit are getting into your brain and turning you into a manic butthole. I'll have my white kids. And they'll grow up in a house full of wonder and imagination, where his parents are always loaded up on coffee, where you can't go five minutes without having to break up a fight between a dog and a ferret. This is my dream.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just get a plant honestly

    Kind of cruel to use an animal to fill the void in your heart, prayer will help you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Just get a plant honestly
      Or one better, mushrooms.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not worth it, they only live for three years tops. There's a reason rat trannies are even bigger emotional disaster zones than regular trannies. They're constantly in a state of mourning over incontinent animals. Just get a dog like a normal person.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There's a reason rat trannies are even bigger emotional disaster zones than regular trannies.
      TSMT
      just weird as frick in general too

      if you want a real bond get yourself a nice wife and kids
      pets are poor placeholders for family bonding

      I mean you’re not wrong but you can have both, a pet can help a family bond better even

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bird: 😐
      >cat: :
      >rat: :/
      Dog: :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
      >

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dogs have been bonding with Humanity since Humanity as we know it developed. Yes, dogs are important and yes, humans bond more easily and deeply with dogs than other beasts.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Dogs have been bonding with Humanity since Humanity as we know it developed
          This doesn't prove they bond more easily however, only that there's been a longer time devoted to improving that bond. Not that it had a better rate of success.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chud

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody wants to bond with you

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