I was considering getting a BC or Aus but I have no idea a how to even be find a trustworthy breeder. Didn't know about the these light eye/merle problems until now. I just want a healthy medium sized dog that will do well with chickens and sheep, maybe bark at foxes, but not overheat in the FL sun.
any reputable breeder will have up to date health records and screenings for their dogs. if you're that worried about double merles then just look for one that breeds non merles only, there are plenty of those around
There are no known genetic causes of epilepsy in dogs, CCD included, and collies have a sudden deafness issue breeders can’t test for either. However, outcrossing usually makes them go away.
My borther has a 100% pure bred akc etc Border Collie and let me tell you the thing is kind of a dick to every other dog, it has an annoying piercing bark, crazy long hair and smells like shit with knots all over, only listens to one person, doesnt listen that well in general, like to bark at everything mowers, trash trucks, sirens, blowers, etc.
Meanwhile my Bogle never barks and generally is lazier and more relaxed and still listens better albeit dogs are generally bad listeners and also has less fear of things, willing to jump into rivers from high, leap edge to edge while the collie is a bitch and takes the easy way down etc.
How do you feal with the void of losing your pet, someone you've been with for most of your life? It's hard to live in an empty house but it's not like you want someone
Wanted to get a Border as first dog, living in a house with a garden, doing 20-25 min of bike every day.
I like his looks and its ease of learning.
But I don't want to bore him to death as I work a long period of time (10-11hr per day), should I get an Aussie instead ? What's the downside compare to a border ?
Border Collies are just too easy to massively over-correct. I like being able to say "No" just a little bit sharply without it shutting the dog down. Don't get me wrong, intelligent, biddable dogs are wonderful, but there's a degree of sensitivity that becomes more of a hindrance than anything. It's too easy to accidentally teach really sensitive dogs like that fear, every experience really does need to be positive because they have so little resilience.
An anon once posted some info about how blue eyed dogs with light coats and merle pattern are a result of lethal white gene inbreeding and I can't look at these dogs the same.
>see white fluffy thing on the move >scare it into no longer being on the move
don't pretend this vid is anything other than them doing what they think is their job
Why are subcanine creatures so similar to sheep and cattle?
An anon once posted some info about how blue eyed dogs with light coats and merle pattern are a result of lethal white gene inbreeding and I can't look at these dogs the same.
It's the ones that are majority white specifically. All merle dogs have the potential to produce litters if the breeder isn't very savvy or if, god forbid, dogs mate without the consent of the breeder (the horror!). A lot of purebred dogs are so genetically fucked that can't be allowed to happen. Also, there are cryptic merles that breeders mistake for non-merles all the time, resulting in double merles. Not that it matters. Breeders will purposefully breed double merles because if they stud them out to non merles they get 100% merle money maker litters.
That's not even as bad as bobtails normally bred for by aussie gays. A double merle puppy will still live. A double bobtail puppy dies in the womb or shortly after birth, most likely in pain, from spinal defects.
Sheepdog breeders need to calm the fuck down and stop worrying about pretty colors, missing tails, and floppy ears so much. The dogs would look better with pointy ears, full tails carried correctly (wolves never had problems with elk stepping on their shit), and normal coats anyways.
>picking a specific breed as defined by the AKC and not getting a puppy from a "mixed" breeder
B. Collie + German Shepherd
Golden Retriever + German Shepherd
Belgian Malinois + Labrador
Kommondor + Saint Bernard
etc
less health problems and disgenetics from inbreeding >ummmmm I don't condone racemixing mutt mutt mutt mutt
dogs aren't people retard
Dont race mix your dogs. They lose any purpose they might have had. Sheepdog + sheepdog, sled dog + sled dog, toddler mauler + child muncher, jogger mogger + robber ruffer, etc.
>purpose
dude theyre pets
Im not a career sheep herder or a police officer in a K9 unit
I just want my dog to be friendly and not run off for 2 hours like a retard
Belgian Malinois have long been bred as working dogs and do not originate from pit bull ancestry. In fact, the Belgian Malinois is one of the few breeds that do not have any history of being used as fighting dogs.
Belgian Malinois is actually a cross between a Belgian Sheepdog and a German Shepherd.
Instead, these agencies require that pit bulls be temperament tested and meet certain breed standards before they are given to an officer or soldier. Additionally, pit bulls that work in law enforcement or the military typically serve as support animals, not as working dogs.
Even if malinois were bred into pit bulls, this would not create a pit bull-type dog. Pit bulls are a specific type of American Staffordshire terrier, and while malinois and Staffordshire terriers share some notable physical features, they are also very different dog breeds. Thus, even if pit bulls were bred into malinois, the resulting hybrid would not be a true pit bull.
Pitbulls are not smart enough for military work. Malinois are somehow not aggressive enough and also have some interest in staying alive, which is not wanted for the military. The result is a more energetic and suicidal dog with less intelligence. Energy minus intelligence equals drive. The dog isn't capable of thoughts but still has a need for activity, so it is completely directionless until conditioned.
Basically all police/military "malinois" are about 25% pitbull. The actual belgian dog looks and acts completely different.
9 months ago
Anonymous
AmStaffs are one of the smartest dogs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>25% pitbull
Really not enough pit bull to be worried about. That's around 13% aggression likelihood which is similar to environmental stimulus %s.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Basically all police/military "malinois" are about 25% pitbull.
maybe now in the US. though, I'm told it's more GSDs, Cane Corso and Rottweilers that are mixed in and that's mainly for size...
>The actual belgian dog looks and acts completely different.
a lot of people dont get that bootlicker dogs are just neurotic and OCD. all dogs can understand basic rules and walk on a loose leash but border collies need you to tell them what to do otherwise they may chew off their own feet.
yeah theyre nuts
they also seem to lack empathy or something which is i assume why you dont see them as service dogs
empathy is an important trait in pet dogs i think
Border collies have tons of empathy. They're just overridden with their "working drive" if it's not satisfied.
If you want a dog without empathy get any primitive dog, husky, shiba, etc. They relate to humans so poorly that they can't understand pointing gestures.
there are plenty more empathic dogs out there
i also dont think theyre that loyal
their focus gives their owner a false sense of loyalty but theyll listen to and obey the next guy that comes around just as intently
i want my dog to scream at and pee on any gay that tries to tell him what to do
Border collies are probably the most empathetic one if they calm down for 10 seconds. Their entire purpose is working together with a human. That's what makes dogs more doggy than wolfy. Wolves are smarter than the best sheepdog but can't learn by watching a human even if it's extremely simple, they can only empathize with other animals. A properly doggy dog can't learn by watching another dog but they can learn extremely well by watching a person and border collies are the absolute doggiest dogs.
10 months ago
Anonymous
following commands isnt empathy
also >ignores the point of a noticible lack of service border collies completely
10 months ago
Anonymous
They're too high strung, reactive, and even prey driven to be service dogs for most people. They're also recommended against being service dogs for some people because they're so empathetic they feed off your negative emotions as strongly as your positive ones. Goldens are a better fit. They're neither as intelligent nor empathetic, but extremely docile and just smart and empathetic enough for it not to be a problem.
>following commands isn't empathy
You've never dealt with one. They don't just follow commands. They are finely attuned to their handlers, so much that your pleasure or frustration is reinforcement to them. Border collies are always looking at you. Border collies know how you feel. Border collies feel you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i grew up with them lol nice try
10 months ago
Anonymous
Something was wrong with your border collies
10 months ago
Anonymous
the most empathetic dog is also able to sniff out and avoid gay people
10 months ago
Anonymous
actual working collies and trial champions lol nice try again
10 months ago
Anonymous
>overbred neurotic money makers instead of actual farm dogs
oh yes the "actual working collies" that are meant to win ribbons and sell for $20k a pup and then expire of epilepsy not, you know, actual collies like everyone else has and has always had.
10 months ago
Anonymous
trial champions you illiterate knob gobbler
congrats on outing yourself as not knowing what youre talking about
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Trial champions
So overbred neurotic gays and not the regular collies everyone else has had for ages.
10 months ago
Anonymous
you know those dogs work on farms, right?
10 months ago
Anonymous
But most farms aren't paying for trial champions unless they have hilarious numbers of sheep, and trial champions are not typical of the breed. Rather they are over bred neurotic gays meant to represent the peak of what the breed can be.
10 months ago
Anonymous
iwho said anything about paying for them?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I see, you also steal most of your pets.
10 months ago
Anonymous
you dont seem to understand how farming works
10 months ago
Anonymous
you don't seem to understand most people don't breed or pay for breeding rights for trial champion border collies outside of sheep shagger land.
10 months ago
Anonymous
trial champiom border collies start out as normal farm border collies
10 months ago
Anonymous
Your idea of a normal collie is skewed or you failed to recognize a lot of border collies as border collies. There are champion lines in 99% of places. The dogs aren't champions until they go to trials but there are still lines that produce more champions than others and lines that have never had a dog go to trials and the dogs act like it. They are far from normal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i grew up with normal ass collies on a normal ass farm
its standard for farmers to compete and show their products
its how you improve your stock
we had champion sheep too
does that upset your sensibilites?
10 months ago
Anonymous
If they won championships they were not normal collies. Normal collies would never actually be champions, that's why champions are, you know, champions. Most collies are very empathetic and nice dogs once they calm the fuck down and probably not the best herders, but definitely good enough. Yours were work-only asshole collies.
10 months ago
Anonymous
they were normal farm collies, only a couple champions in the bunch
i think youre putting too much weight on this concept of champion anyway
10 months ago
Anonymous
Then you must have done something wrong because they’ve always been nice to me.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i never said they werent nice
i said there are better pet dogs out there
Dog would have done the same to a delivery man or a kid looking for their ball. Guard dogs are for farmers very far away from everyone on land no one should be on for any reason anyways.
I want a pet, not a work animal. Border collies are too smart for their damn good and I don't want a dog that's going to get all neurotic on me if I don't give it a job.
Thinking of getting a beagle or something. More of a cat person but I like dogs too and beagles seem pretty chill on top of being a healthy breed. An old friend of mine had a beagle named Basil and he was a total bro
Collies are kewl though, my next door neighbours have a collie and two kelpies/shepherd or whatever. I remember one day the cheeky cunt collie and the smaller kelpie managed to crawl under the fence into my yard. Had to do a double take when I looked out the window and saw them. It was funny as fuck. Had to go out and help them get beck under. Love playing with those dogs whenever I go over there.
The smaller kelpie is kind of retarded but always managed to get to the ball first. Perks of having being closer to the ground and having the determination I guess. Unfortunately the old girl has gone blind but at least she's still got a loving home
>get a dog that was bred to be that autistic normie you knew back in school that won't shut the fuck up, except he has a megaphone
Do you know what dog breeds actually are, or do you think they're like ice cream flavours.
>can't hunt >can't fight >can't defend themselves from dogs, animals, people >can't defend their owner/family from dogs, animals, people >can't defend yard/house from intruders >overbred >there are better herding dog breeds (Pulin) >there are healthier herding dog breeds (Pulin) >there are better shepherd type breeds (Belgian Malinois, Dutch Shepherd, Central Asian Shepherd)
Dogs do not have the intelligence required to be trusted with violence towards humans. All of these disgusting mutts would treat the neighbor kid asking for his ball back like an armed robber
Bleed every aggressive shitbeast out on the street. Saw their heads off in front of their owners. Your dogfucker tears will still never be enough to make up for all the mothers who lost their children to these retarded animals.
This guy is a retarded schizo who deserves a punch to the face but I still hate violent breeds like shitbulls and shitperds and hate the people that own them and defend them as if you need an extra retarded dog to keep you safe.
Certain dog breeds actually CAN (doesn't mean you just "should" though), Malinois is not one of them. They can't even be trusted for GSD style general Police work
>dogs are supposed to be slaves without any personality because i have control issues
all dogs not being used for security or farm work today are useless pets. pitbulls, huskies, retrievers, bullies, most mastiffs, hounds, etc, they exist for fun and cuddles. if you think a dog needs to be a bootlicker when its not a dangerous one it’s mostly about your small penis.
the only dogs that need to be licking boots are the ones with lives or greenbacks riding on them obeying when told every single time.
Looking for a pic I saw on here a while back.
It's a muscular guy with a border collie and a muscular guy with a husky.
Anyone have it saved?
Because I'm not boring as fuck
I was considering getting a BC or Aus but I have no idea a how to even be find a trustworthy breeder. Didn't know about the these light eye/merle problems until now. I just want a healthy medium sized dog that will do well with chickens and sheep, maybe bark at foxes, but not overheat in the FL sun.
any reputable breeder will have up to date health records and screenings for their dogs. if you're that worried about double merles then just look for one that breeds non merles only, there are plenty of those around
There are no known genetic causes of epilepsy in dogs, CCD included, and collies have a sudden deafness issue breeders can’t test for either. However, outcrossing usually makes them go away.
I have a video of Bullherder (Caucasian Shepherd x APBT) winning against Central Asian Shepherd.
in a dog fight? why would you have video of that?
>in a dog fight?
yeah
>All animals fight
Animals that fight get culled from civilized society. It does not take very long until no animals fight.
An animal that fights other animals will fight humans. No exceptions. We are also animals, there's no special "oh shit that's a human" gene.
There's a prey v. non-prey item 'gene' more like instinct.
Dogs and people aren’t legitimate prey
My borther has a 100% pure bred akc etc Border Collie and let me tell you the thing is kind of a dick to every other dog, it has an annoying piercing bark, crazy long hair and smells like shit with knots all over, only listens to one person, doesnt listen that well in general, like to bark at everything mowers, trash trucks, sirens, blowers, etc.
Meanwhile my Bogle never barks and generally is lazier and more relaxed and still listens better albeit dogs are generally bad listeners and also has less fear of things, willing to jump into rivers from high, leap edge to edge while the collie is a bitch and takes the easy way down etc.
>the collie is smart and my dog is a retard that's going to kill itself jumping off a roof
How do you feal with the void of losing your pet, someone you've been with for most of your life? It's hard to live in an empty house but it's not like you want someone
Because they look fucking dumb. Get mogged by my puppy
very cute
Thank you
Wanted to get a Border as first dog, living in a house with a garden, doing 20-25 min of bike every day.
I like his looks and its ease of learning.
But I don't want to bore him to death as I work a long period of time (10-11hr per day), should I get an Aussie instead ? What's the downside compare to a border ?
>should I get an Aussie instead ?
if you can not keep a BC, you can not keep an AS. the difference it time requirements is negligible. go here:
These are the best herding dogs, they can work on sheeps, pigs, cows, etc...
Well first of all I am not an under-average IQ'd middle class white woman after menopause
https://bullherder.org/our-standard
Border Collies are just too easy to massively over-correct. I like being able to say "No" just a little bit sharply without it shutting the dog down. Don't get me wrong, intelligent, biddable dogs are wonderful, but there's a degree of sensitivity that becomes more of a hindrance than anything. It's too easy to accidentally teach really sensitive dogs like that fear, every experience really does need to be positive because they have so little resilience.
An anon once posted some info about how blue eyed dogs with light coats and merle pattern are a result of lethal white gene inbreeding and I can't look at these dogs the same.
why are border collies such assholes?
>see white fluffy thing on the move
>scare it into no longer being on the move
don't pretend this vid is anything other than them doing what they think is their job
Why are subcanine creatures so similar to sheep and cattle?
It's the ones that are majority white specifically. All merle dogs have the potential to produce litters if the breeder isn't very savvy or if, god forbid, dogs mate without the consent of the breeder (the horror!). A lot of purebred dogs are so genetically fucked that can't be allowed to happen. Also, there are cryptic merles that breeders mistake for non-merles all the time, resulting in double merles. Not that it matters. Breeders will purposefully breed double merles because if they stud them out to non merles they get 100% merle money maker litters.
That's not even as bad as bobtails normally bred for by aussie gays. A double merle puppy will still live. A double bobtail puppy dies in the womb or shortly after birth, most likely in pain, from spinal defects.
Sheepdog breeders need to calm the fuck down and stop worrying about pretty colors, missing tails, and floppy ears so much. The dogs would look better with pointy ears, full tails carried correctly (wolves never had problems with elk stepping on their shit), and normal coats anyways.
>picking a specific breed as defined by the AKC and not getting a puppy from a "mixed" breeder
B. Collie + German Shepherd
Golden Retriever + German Shepherd
Belgian Malinois + Labrador
Kommondor + Saint Bernard
etc
less health problems and disgenetics from inbreeding
>ummmmm I don't condone racemixing mutt mutt mutt mutt
dogs aren't people retard
Dont race mix your dogs. They lose any purpose they might have had. Sheepdog + sheepdog, sled dog + sled dog, toddler mauler + child muncher, jogger mogger + robber ruffer, etc.
>purpose
dude theyre pets
Im not a career sheep herder or a police officer in a K9 unit
I just want my dog to be friendly and not run off for 2 hours like a retard
Bull Herder
They all look good but this wolf looking one is awesome.
I hope that's a Bulldog and Shepherd cross breed of some sort otherwise US Military wet dream Malinois Pit Bull.
Belgian Malinois already have APBT's in them
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Belgian Malinois have long been bred as working dogs and do not originate from pit bull ancestry. In fact, the Belgian Malinois is one of the few breeds that do not have any history of being used as fighting dogs.
Belgian Malinois is actually a cross between a Belgian Sheepdog and a German Shepherd.
Instead, these agencies require that pit bulls be temperament tested and meet certain breed standards before they are given to an officer or soldier. Additionally, pit bulls that work in law enforcement or the military typically serve as support animals, not as working dogs.
Even if malinois were bred into pit bulls, this would not create a pit bull-type dog. Pit bulls are a specific type of American Staffordshire terrier, and while malinois and Staffordshire terriers share some notable physical features, they are also very different dog breeds. Thus, even if pit bulls were bred into malinois, the resulting hybrid would not be a true pit bull.
Who would breed a monstrosity like this. How evil do you have to be.
Pitbulls are not smart enough for military work. Malinois are somehow not aggressive enough and also have some interest in staying alive, which is not wanted for the military. The result is a more energetic and suicidal dog with less intelligence. Energy minus intelligence equals drive. The dog isn't capable of thoughts but still has a need for activity, so it is completely directionless until conditioned.
Basically all police/military "malinois" are about 25% pitbull. The actual belgian dog looks and acts completely different.
AmStaffs are one of the smartest dogs.
>25% pitbull
Really not enough pit bull to be worried about. That's around 13% aggression likelihood which is similar to environmental stimulus %s.
>Basically all police/military "malinois" are about 25% pitbull.
maybe now in the US. though, I'm told it's more GSDs, Cane Corso and Rottweilers that are mixed in and that's mainly for size...
>The actual belgian dog looks and acts completely different.
truth/100
remember just because your collie is a dickhead doesn't mean it's normal. i have a collie and she's very sweet and loving.
i like smart dogs but cheeky smart not bootlicker obedient
also theyre too big and hairy
a lot of people dont get that bootlicker dogs are just neurotic and OCD. all dogs can understand basic rules and walk on a loose leash but border collies need you to tell them what to do otherwise they may chew off their own feet.
yeah theyre nuts
they also seem to lack empathy or something which is i assume why you dont see them as service dogs
empathy is an important trait in pet dogs i think
Border collies have tons of empathy. They're just overridden with their "working drive" if it's not satisfied.
If you want a dog without empathy get any primitive dog, husky, shiba, etc. They relate to humans so poorly that they can't understand pointing gestures.
there are plenty more empathic dogs out there
i also dont think theyre that loyal
their focus gives their owner a false sense of loyalty but theyll listen to and obey the next guy that comes around just as intently
i want my dog to scream at and pee on any gay that tries to tell him what to do
Border collies are probably the most empathetic one if they calm down for 10 seconds. Their entire purpose is working together with a human. That's what makes dogs more doggy than wolfy. Wolves are smarter than the best sheepdog but can't learn by watching a human even if it's extremely simple, they can only empathize with other animals. A properly doggy dog can't learn by watching another dog but they can learn extremely well by watching a person and border collies are the absolute doggiest dogs.
following commands isnt empathy
also
>ignores the point of a noticible lack of service border collies completely
They're too high strung, reactive, and even prey driven to be service dogs for most people. They're also recommended against being service dogs for some people because they're so empathetic they feed off your negative emotions as strongly as your positive ones. Goldens are a better fit. They're neither as intelligent nor empathetic, but extremely docile and just smart and empathetic enough for it not to be a problem.
>following commands isn't empathy
You've never dealt with one. They don't just follow commands. They are finely attuned to their handlers, so much that your pleasure or frustration is reinforcement to them. Border collies are always looking at you. Border collies know how you feel. Border collies feel you.
i grew up with them lol nice try
Something was wrong with your border collies
the most empathetic dog is also able to sniff out and avoid gay people
actual working collies and trial champions lol nice try again
>overbred neurotic money makers instead of actual farm dogs
oh yes the "actual working collies" that are meant to win ribbons and sell for $20k a pup and then expire of epilepsy not, you know, actual collies like everyone else has and has always had.
trial champions you illiterate knob gobbler
congrats on outing yourself as not knowing what youre talking about
>Trial champions
So overbred neurotic gays and not the regular collies everyone else has had for ages.
you know those dogs work on farms, right?
But most farms aren't paying for trial champions unless they have hilarious numbers of sheep, and trial champions are not typical of the breed. Rather they are over bred neurotic gays meant to represent the peak of what the breed can be.
iwho said anything about paying for them?
I see, you also steal most of your pets.
you dont seem to understand how farming works
you don't seem to understand most people don't breed or pay for breeding rights for trial champion border collies outside of sheep shagger land.
trial champiom border collies start out as normal farm border collies
Your idea of a normal collie is skewed or you failed to recognize a lot of border collies as border collies. There are champion lines in 99% of places. The dogs aren't champions until they go to trials but there are still lines that produce more champions than others and lines that have never had a dog go to trials and the dogs act like it. They are far from normal.
i grew up with normal ass collies on a normal ass farm
its standard for farmers to compete and show their products
its how you improve your stock
we had champion sheep too
does that upset your sensibilites?
If they won championships they were not normal collies. Normal collies would never actually be champions, that's why champions are, you know, champions. Most collies are very empathetic and nice dogs once they calm the fuck down and probably not the best herders, but definitely good enough. Yours were work-only asshole collies.
they were normal farm collies, only a couple champions in the bunch
i think youre putting too much weight on this concept of champion anyway
Then you must have done something wrong because they’ve always been nice to me.
i never said they werent nice
i said there are better pet dogs out there
>dog to scream
You have mental issues
If you are buying Bullmastiff go for pic related looking ones, not the smushed face gigantic dogs, those aren't healthy
Here is Bullmastiff protecting his home
Dog would have done the same to a delivery man or a kid looking for their ball. Guard dogs are for farmers very far away from everyone on land no one should be on for any reason anyways.
I want a pet, not a work animal. Border collies are too smart for their damn good and I don't want a dog that's going to get all neurotic on me if I don't give it a job.
Here is a playlist I made, if anybody is interested it's about good dogs
>t. Serbian pitfucker
Go try kill a working line BullMastiff with a "personal defence" type of gun and see how it turns out.
it turns out with the dog screaming on the ground after one shot.
>Neurotic OCD gay bred for a very specific working environment
I don't own sheep
Thinking of getting a beagle or something. More of a cat person but I like dogs too and beagles seem pretty chill on top of being a healthy breed. An old friend of mine had a beagle named Basil and he was a total bro
Collies are kewl though, my next door neighbours have a collie and two kelpies/shepherd or whatever. I remember one day the cheeky cunt collie and the smaller kelpie managed to crawl under the fence into my yard. Had to do a double take when I looked out the window and saw them. It was funny as fuck. Had to go out and help them get beck under. Love playing with those dogs whenever I go over there.
The smaller kelpie is kind of retarded but always managed to get to the ball first. Perks of having being closer to the ground and having the determination I guess. Unfortunately the old girl has gone blind but at least she's still got a loving home
Blessed story, thanks anon
>get a dog that was bred to be that autistic normie you knew back in school that won't shut the fuck up, except he has a megaphone
Do you know what dog breeds actually are, or do you think they're like ice cream flavours.
I don't like my dogs dying after taking dewormer.
>blocks your path
Alright I'll accept Aussies
Dogs are filthy and so are their owners
where did all these dog breed console warriors come from and when will they leave
some of us like a chill relaxed dogs and not a manic ball of adhd
Also, never buy merle dog or dog with light eyes, those dogs are not healthy.
There’re some ridiculously disturbing pics popping after blue merle dog search.
Isn’t breeding the merle dog problematic considering all the risks?
Yes. Aussie breeders in particular are subhuman.
If you mix 2 merls together, yes. If you breed them with just two different colored collies or shepherds then no
>can't hunt
>can't fight
>can't defend themselves from dogs, animals, people
>can't defend their owner/family from dogs, animals, people
>can't defend yard/house from intruders
>overbred
>there are better herding dog breeds (Pulin)
>there are healthier herding dog breeds (Pulin)
>there are better shepherd type breeds (Belgian Malinois, Dutch Shepherd, Central Asian Shepherd)
Dogs do not have the intelligence required to be trusted with violence towards humans. All of these disgusting mutts would treat the neighbor kid asking for his ball back like an armed robber
Bleed every aggressive shitbeast out on the street. Saw their heads off in front of their owners. Your dogfucker tears will still never be enough to make up for all the mothers who lost their children to these retarded animals.
>my gratuitous violence is morally superior because I'm pretending to care about kids
Lol
humans have moral value and dogs do not.
So I guess that makes you a dog then
Seethe dogfucker
Yes
This guy is a retarded schizo who deserves a punch to the face but I still hate violent breeds like shitbulls and shitperds and hate the people that own them and defend them as if you need an extra retarded dog to keep you safe.
The reason there's dog poop in my water system is that people insist in having those filthy mutts to satisfy their control issues
Oh so you are that retarded/redditor (same thing) schizo that deserves a punch to the face. Not surprised.
Day of the rope is coming filthy mutt lover
Either that or the Chinese will take over and your dogs will become their BBQ
Eevee anon, go resurrect your dead dog.
don't you have an isreali to suck off, chang?
>retarded/redditor (same thing)
trying too hard
Toxo Jihad
guns cant wake you up at night and come to you when theres an intruder
guns cant deter potential intruder casing your house by being loud
>inb4 i carry m16 everywhere i go larp
Living in a white neighborhood will solve those
i carry a S&W 38 special everywhere i go and if you just want the barking just get a dog that barks
extremely luck-
>25 caliber
Lol 9mm NATO is the minimum self defense caliber.
Certain dog breeds actually CAN (doesn't mean you just "should" though), Malinois is not one of them. They can't even be trusted for GSD style general Police work
Agree but we should also obliterate cats as well since toxoplasmosis kills off more infants.
>He needs a dog to defend himself
dogs primary jobs are:
hunting
guarding/protecting
if dog can't do that he is not dog
Because border collies dont fit into my personal lifestyle and I prefer other breeds anyway.
Only sane answer itt.
>OCD bootlicker with a million health problems
I’ll pass. Enjoy your old hemp clone with a cumrag coat.
>bootlicker
That's exactly how dogs are supposed to be.
Is this how pitbull owners talk about other dogs?
>dogs are supposed to be slaves without any personality because i have control issues
all dogs not being used for security or farm work today are useless pets. pitbulls, huskies, retrievers, bullies, most mastiffs, hounds, etc, they exist for fun and cuddles. if you think a dog needs to be a bootlicker when its not a dangerous one it’s mostly about your small penis.
the only dogs that need to be licking boots are the ones with lives or greenbacks riding on them obeying when told every single time.