https://www.npr.org/2023/11/01/1209660753/these-american-birds-and-dozens-more-will-be-renamed-to-remove-human-monikers
Bird bros... is it over?
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/01/1209660753/these-american-birds-and-dozens-more-will-be-renamed-to-remove-human-monikers
I wonder if stuff like this has already happened in history but we never knew about it because it was overwritten
It has happened, usually when another race conquers and exterminates one of their peers. They erase all their history and anything the conquered discovered is renamed in the conquerors language or made into a generic term.
All of the people, 100% of the people pushing for this, are israeli. All of them. All of the names they want stricken from the record are white. All of them.
At no point did they say that israelites names should not be on other things. Notice this.
This is not about inclusion. No one is offended by white mens names on anything, except israelites, who are curiously not offended by israelites having things named after them.
Also you should really, really wonder why israel wants every white country no matter how small to accept unlimited arab/african refugees but when israel is concerned they put all their refugees (that they themselves displaced) into a prison state (gaza) and then find an excuse to level it because the popular rebellion against living in a prison state is necessarily everywhere in the prison state, because it is so small and dense. "Oh well, since the "terrorists" (rebels) won't all stay in one place away from everyone else on account of no room, I guess we have to KILL ALL THE ARABS!"
>they're canceling birds now
Seems really pointless to try and arbitrarily draw a line in the sand for something like this
We need to go through all those equations and terms named after the bergs, witzes, and mans of the world and give them more descriptive names. Start with hertz. Ugh, so confusing. And exclusionary! Think of all the bright minds that dropped out of math class because a bunch of heavily inbred germans larping as israelites are ahead by 5 IQ points! They’re just called CPS (cycles per second) now.
Ethical consistency is the foundation of society
>a white guy formally described a bird and was rewarded by being allowed yo name it after himself
That’s it, I can’t like birds! Lol but not.
>a israeli woman has said that white guys can’t name birds after themselves because that might offend someone, the idea of white people existing
Lucky for me I am already muslim and arab so this changes literally nothing in my life. Except, maybe i might get some new white friends.
Why not though?
>Waaaah it'll be annoying to rememberrr
>Waaaah it'll take tiiiime
>Waaaah woke cancel culture lefties liberals seethe dilate cope etc
Okay. Those things are not legitimate criticisms of this whole renaming concept. It seems to me that there are more pros than cons.
It needlessly outdates older documentation and will make researching these animals in older documents more difficult. It creates asymmetry with other languages which may or may not follow this. It's a very blatant attempt to cover up history by making animal names more generic. There is no tangible benefit to doing this other than appeasing Californian's desire for a Chinese Cultural Revolution in America.
>It needlessly outdates older documentation and will make researching these animals in older documents more difficult.
Sure, but palaeontologists deal with this shit all the time, to a much larger scale and with much more conplexity, and manage. The only people who this would impact negatively are ornithologists (who are natural scientists and therefore should have also dealt with obsolete nomenclature before) and birders, who frankly can deal with the slight annoyance.
>It creates asymmetry with other languages which may or may not follow this.
There is already asymmetry when it comes to common names of animals in other languages? What does it matter?
>It's a very blatant attempt to cover up history by making animal names more generic.
The vast, vast majority of birds were not discovered by the yt European men who named them. They already had names given to them by native populations who had lived alongside them for generations. By naming the birds after some random yt cunt, people falsely assume that yt cunt discovered this bird, or was the first to name this bird, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
I don't necessarily agree with naming them genetically, after what they look like or where they're from. Imo, the birds should be given the names of what the native populations had for them pre-colonisation.
>There is no tangible benefit
Rectifying lies made up by colonists is always a net positive.
>Made up issue.
The issue surrounding colonialist-centric names for animals has been around for a long while.
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We know you’re genetically bound to inferior intelligence, but at least learn to spell “white”.
And keep marginalizing *us* while saying “black violence is caused by racism” and forgetting we can actually plan, aim, and manufacture explosives and poisons. And still control society so long as it actually is a society. Please. Prove yourself tragically right. Prejudice causes violence. The slightest “micro aggressions” drive black men into gangs to sate their anger. White men are a bit more effective, in targeting and action, don’t you think?
very faggy post
It’s faggy and then you remember it’s possible to manufacture nerve gas bombs with common hobby equipment sold on amazon, a readily available cleaning agent, and casio watches among other wonderful things you can learn if only you swear on the quran in some discord channel with 5 members.
what the fuck does youtube have to do with anything, you fucking retard
>The vast, vast majority of birds were not discovered by the yt European men who named them.
Yes they were, do you not understand the concept of independent discovery? Are you going to seethe about pretty much every culture having different names for common animals too? I'm sure some brand of prehistoric African deserves credit for having been the first humans to ever see a gorilla and screech a sound.
>They already had names given to them by native populations who had lived alongside them for generations.
And did those people speak English? Did they convey their names to the English speaking world?
>I'm sure some brand of prehistoric African deserves credit for having been the first humans to ever see a gorilla and screech a sound.
Unironically yes, although it should be up to local tribes and what they call gorillas now. Elephants should have always been called Tembo, Indlovu or Tlou etc.
>English is so important
>the English speaking world is the only one that matters
The point of this is to stop that exact mindset.
>what they call gorillas now
theyre called gorillas because thats what the interpreters called them 2500 years ago, and youre just asking for trouble because now names are relative, not to definitive, because if the people die and someone else moves in the language changes now the names change under your idea, or you have 50 million names to choose, retard.
>the English speaking world is the only one that matters
yes, because english is literally the easiest language and everything translates pretty easily thats why youre on a mongolian baskest weaving forum speaking english. people like to meme thats its the hardest langauge, when its just a few rules for specific words, mostly for pronunciations that nobody cares about, spelling is usually phonetic and ifs its not, blame the french; compare that to the mess that is welsh, the 3 alphabets for japanese, and whatever the fuck is going on with mandarin, cantonese, and twainese
This change only applies to English, people that speak other languages are gonna keep calling it whatever it is they call it, African tribes will keep calling Elephants Tembo and other languages that use names with human monikers will keep using those. Nobody cares what English speakers call a certain animal, it only matters to English speakers, so why change it when everybody agrees on the name?
>why change it when everybody agrees on the name?
They clearly don't.
>A few people think these names are racist and should be changed while the vast majority of English speakers use these names regularly and have no issue with it
Even if they do manage to get the names changed good luck convincing people to call it the new one. Are they gonna fine people for calling that bird in the sky a Cooper's Hawk?
It's such a pointless change that won't stick, literally just looking for issues where there aren't any
Sure they can keep calling it the incorrect name, they'll just be incorrect. There's no law against being incorrect.
>the English speaking world is the only one that matters
The subject is the English language name of an animal, not the Cherokee, Japanese, or Swahili name, so yes, what they were first called in English is the only thing that matters.
Common names exists because it's what the majority of people use to refer to a certain species. Requesting to change a name that's been used for centuries without issues because of some made up issue isn't gonna stick.
Same reason a lot of common names are still inaccurate, like how crab-eater seals don't eat crabs or how Germans call turtles "shield toads". You could change them to something more accurate, but people are gonna keep using the old name
First of all, they are legitimate criticisms.
Second, I understand it makes sense to just use descriptive names, but it makes no sense to just change it for no other reason than "the person who named it was bad".
It would make sense if the bird were called "naggerbasher 9000", then I could see them renaming it to "black warbler" or some other shit.
But cooper's hawk? That's so fucking problematic!
Funny because I assume this will only apply in English, so people from other countries who will refer to the American birds will keep calling it with the human moniker (if it's already in use in their language).
All this for a non-issue that will just complicate things because people will refer to the same animal using different names
>Nol says she recently was visiting some salt marshes this summer and saw a common bird there that's called Wilson's Snipe, which has a long bill and engages in dramatic displays such as flying in high circles, which produces a whistling sound as air flows over specialized feathers. "And I thought, what a terrible name," she says. "I mean, Wilson was the father of modern ornithology in North America, but this bird has so many other evocative characteristics."
>She says people have pointed out to her that the birds don't care what their names are.
>"Names are important for humans. And this is absolutely a human-driven exercise," she says. "They're important for the people who watch birds and the communities who may or may not feel very welcome, if all the birds are named after these old European ornithologists."
>the communities who may or may not feel very welcome, if all the birds are named after these old European ornithologists."
I was going to be an ornithologist but the fact that this bird is named after some dead guy has really ruined it for me. Guess I have to be a drug dealer instead.
Yes please do not notice who actually maintains civilization
Europe and east asia
This is so stupid. What an enormous waste of time.
Pike.
And the 'pike minnow'. As you can see, it is VERY similar to both pikes and minnows, by looking like neither of them.
But don't believe your lying eyes, right?
Idk man it looks like a mix between a pike an a minnow to me
see?
wish there were tiny ones for aquariums
Yea I'm not doing that. Also good to know this is what important work in the field of birds is. I'll make sure to respect every birdologist just a little less.
I always disliked "[Name]'s [animal]" as a format anyway.
very good, fuck hum*ns
I'm a little upset but the carolina naggermauler could stand to be a bit more pc.
They just want to remove white people from history to prevent future generations from noticing why all technological, scientific, and societal advancements in the west came screeching to a halt
2053:
All technological, philosophical, and societal advancements only occur in china
CCP developed a vaccine that prevents fetuses from mis-developing into homosexuals/trannies, made it mandatory
Ughyur genocide completed, islamic world wiped out, islam made illegal in china
Poverty and starvation eradicated in china
Dog and cat meat banned, china leads the world in animal rights, mass produced vat meat and nutritionally pure bug powder are dietary staples
America mostly resembles south africa, people have to steal and eat family pets to survive
Average american skin tone is brown, average american IQ score is 95. Americans are genetically incapable of rebuilding civilization much like the formerly aryan arabs ended up after too much african admixture
North america becomes the middle east of the 2100s
>the birding subreddit overwhelmingly likes it
of course
That's like taking the SI and renaming the Ampere and Kelvin, amongst others.
Maybe change the Boltzmann constant to Temperature constant while we're at it?
and thats why i wrote my own birding software. fuck ebird its gonna be a stellars jay forever for me.
When will these """""people""""" just fucking drop dead and leave us the fuck alone?
When you pick up a gun and kill them.
yeah nah still calling it a cooper's hawk
did you feed a videogames to your birb
Finally. I presume you humies will be referring to us in our own language henceforth?
I like this but I completely despise their reasoning.
Putting a person's name on an animal instead of a name relevant to the animal that would be intuitive and descriptive, is a retard, perhaps a selfish retard.
>wow this is the first sparrow ever to have green patches around its eyes.. this is probably how people will distinguish it from others... should we call it a green-eyed sparrow? NAAHH MICHAEL'S SPARROW
No one ever goes "omg hmm who's michael, lemme learn about this!!", they go "ok, michael's sparrow = the one with the green eyes" and assume some random dickhead named michael found the sparrow first. The truly curious will find the history of the sparrow's discovery and the people involved in an encyclopedia entry regardless.
But it should be non-debate, because why can't animals have more than one common name? Culture A calls it name A and culture B calls it name B. Forcefully homogenizing names is 100,000,000x more "offensive" and "marginalizing" than any of the names themselves
>AOS will not be changing birds that contain American, etc. even though they are eponymous
Amerigo Vespucci chads, we just keep winning
Its not gonna work, there are no "official" common names. It's like when they tried to rename the Asian giant hornet to the northern giant hornet to stop Asian hate because its a pest species but they never bothered changing the names of Argentinian scarabs, European wasps, African black beetles, Japanese beetles, etc
I mean... yeah, you're right. Literally nothing is stopping us from referring to them as their original monikers.
>George Floyd mention in an article about bird names
this is severe mental illness
This kind of shit completely baffles me so much. There is not a single human being on Earth who feels offended or excluded by these names. Absolutely no one who feels an interest in birdwatching would ever not do it because a bird is named after some obscure 19th nobleman. If you asked an actual non-white person on the street "Do you find the fact that there's a bird species called Lewis's Woodpecker offensive?", they'd either think you were a mental patient or that you pulling some weird prank.
How the actual fuck do you even seriously consider the possibility that anyone is bothered by this, let alone become so convinced of it that you feel the need to take action? How are there so many examples of shit like this happening? I'd maybe understand if this was some chronically online 15 year old on Twitter, but no, this an actual adult with a job and real life acquaintances and who goes outside. Is there some ulterior motive? Is there some personal benefit to doing this I'm not aware of? Or have these people someway somehow actually become this deluded?
They feel compelled to persist in the cancel culture they've paraded in over the past few years, and they will find every tiny, little, insignificant thing to change in the name of progress.
That and they probably just want to remove those people from history because of their past. It started with removing any reference to Audubon, and now they want to accelerate.
Also...
>~~*handel*~~
>~~*kaufman*~~
It makes them feel like they are doing something important, and also it makes them feel like they are getting that sick own on all those dead bigots. Literally that's it.
This is unironically 1984 playbook. The names are being changed because the intellectual political class wants to erase the past, regardless of what that past was. Some naturalist found a bird while exploring North America and it's named after him in congradulations? "COLONIALISM! THE NATIVE AMERICANS CALLED THAT BIRD GUMPKAWUNKA!" Because I'm sure that British wildlife, much of which already had celtic or scottish names, will get similar treatment, right?
I prefer manul to pallas cat. The fucker just waltzed into the steppe full of known fauna and renamed at least 5 things he saw under himself.
Non whites are not people to them. Once you realize they see them as special ED children it will start to make sense.
thats a really good way to put it, haven't heard that before
They got mad they discovered a new species of bug and got mad they couldn't name it after themselves so if they can't name a new species, nobody can
>Is there some ulterior motive?
oy vey
It's a about erasing history anon
Crypto-israelitery
2020 fried everyone's brains
You're probably right that there isn't a single human who genuinely feels excluded, but if you look at OPs article you'll see the kind of people who have names like Colleen Handel, Ken Kaufmann, and Erica Nol are very offended by them.
Thomson's Gazelle is next.
Good. An African animal has no business being named after a white 'explorer' (coloniser)
Yeah i bet he introduced actual morality aka christianity and an economy to the land of raping babies to cure aids fuck him
i was scared for a second but...
>doubt.jpeg
You know, I wouldn't mind if we went in and renamed all the animals named after politicians, late-night talk show hosts, Pokemon, and all the other "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE"-tier shit to something more respectable and descriptive.
Like, every reconstruction of Thanos simonattoi from now until the end of time is going to be fucking purple because they named it after the purple bad guy from a capeshit flick.
Your nose will probably bleed from rage when you see all shit these half-men named after biden.
Come on you can't just say something like that and leave it ambiguos. I NEED to know now
It's in the scientific names too so they won't change it either
Nothing new. Ten bucks says it becomes a dubious genus, just like this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojirasaurus
and some flavor of the month celebrity getting a creature named after it.
>why is this caterpillar nam... oh, someone did a vine about piss 60 years ago and they made a gay little joke
meh, if it's just common names I don't care.
Scientific names are rarely used outside of academia. Anything related to public discourse uses common names. A good example is the Squawfish, a name that locally where I live is always used and always has been. Then, suddenly, from on high we get the message that it is now a "pike minnow" - despite being neither pike nor minnow. Who decided this? I dunno. But that's what we're "supposed" to call them now, and you occasionally get looks of shock from out of towners when they hear fishermen talk.
>"DON'T YOU MEAN THE PIKE MINNOW? IT'S CALLED THE PIKE MINNOW NOW!"
but wikipedia says its a minnow and it was changed in '99. what's the issue
It's not a fucking minnow. Squawfish are as long as your forearm.
by "minnow" they mean its a cyprinid fish (carp family). The scientific community generally defines minnows of members of the cyprinid family, as opposed to the regular common preception of any small fish being a minnow. I as an avid fishkeeper and ictheology enthusiast don't see much wrong with the name pikeminnow, as it is a cyprinid minnow with the bodyplan of a pike, but I also would never try to erase its traditional name of squawfish, as that would be an insult to our forfathers and trampling on history. Unfortunatey most people who are actually in charge of the scientific community don't think that way.
Also
>It's not a fucking minnow. Squawfish are as long as your forearm.
suckers get huge too, and those are also minnows, right?
So call it a carp then. It's not a fucking minnow. Minnows are small.
>BUT IT'S IN THE MINNOW FAMILY
Oh wow. Does that make Humans monkeys?
the family isn't defined by carp, most cyprinids are minnow type fish anyways.
>Oh wow. Does that make Humans monkeys?
no, but it makes humans apes
body plan as in its body is designed for the same niche as a pike
>no, but it makes humans apes
Wait to miss the entire point.
Hey man, not my fault you're being purposefully disingenuous.
Humans are taxonomically monkeys since apes are a subset of monkeys. A minnow isn't based on size.
Also, it doesn't have the "body plan of a pike". I've caught both squawfish and pike, and they are nothing similar. When you catch a squawfish, you know exactly what you have.
This is all pretty much precursory groundwork for the Ministry of Truth, rewriting history one tiny piece at a time. The seemingly insignificant pieces at first.
I'm sure that's 100% entirely trustworthy and won't immediately do it anyway.
In the same article they mention they're looking into the scientific Latin names but wont touch them yet because it could be culturally insensitive to mexicans.....essentially the whole thing is a farce
>latin
>mexican
Descriptive names are easier to remember compared to eponymous names, but that's the definition of accidentally good change.
They can't change those because they are not the authority on Latin binomials.
they can still change those. we have a wide array of boops boops mini mums >
There is way too many scientific names taken from a individual naturalist, and the whole point of them is that they are unchanging and determined on a first comes basis. If they are changed it will be at the latest stage of the cultural revolution when we are full 1984.